A brief introductory note: You will note that two colors are used in this update, both blue (normal) and black (Bold). Since the comments emailed (anonymously) to me and posted as comments are quite long, I am posting them in total, and in black (Bold). My responses to these comments will be presented in blue (normal), and thus help me to avoid taking up valuable space unnecessarily, and hopefully help you my Dear Reader, to differentiate between his comments and my responses. So now...
Let the Semantics Games Begin!
As well as the ad hominems, false humility, self-righteousness, implied threats, and more hypocritical guilt by association twice or more removed. In other words, more of the same.
After spending several days in the hospital, I came home to find a rather long (and I mean LONG) email response to my three part article on Regarding Servus Christi, written by “causafinitum causafinitum” and a response on my weblog posted by “waldens” (gotta love those anonymous names. Always makes you wonder what they are hiding. More on that later in this update.)
He (I believe they are the same person) has presented several “smoking gun” documents and websites that ostensibly support Mr. Chavez's contentions, and I intend to read them all, and respond to them. Enjoy.
In Mr. “causafinitum causafinitum” / “waldens” extensive response to my three articles, The vast majority of his comments concern the “partnerships” between Thomas Schirrmacher and thus the Roman Catholic church; and: Paul Washer/HeartCry Missionary Society & others at HeartCry, John MacArthur/The Master's Seminary & those affiliated with John MacArthur /Grace To You / The Master's Seminary, and numerous others individuals.
There are four huge problems with his arguments and voluminous “smoking gun” websites, public forums, etc., “evidence.” The first, is that he ignores completely the statement made by HeartCry that denies they were aware of any connection between Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil and Thomas Schirrmacher; including the glaring issue of HeartCry having any connection with Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil came before they were made aware of that connection, and that they had ceased any affiliation with the Brazilian seminary long before they were made aware of that connection.
The second, Mr. “causafinitum causafinitum” / “waldens” has failed to show that Martin Bucer Seminary (both in Brazil and Germany) actually teaches any of Schirrmacher's ecumenism.
Third, he has failed to show any direct connections between John MacArthur and Thomas Schirrmacher, nor direct connections between Paul Washer and Thomas Schirrmacher, etc. Show us the photos of these men with Thomas Schirrmacher. Show us where these people have ever met Thomas Schirrmacher. He cannot. Instead he relies on guilt by indirect association; which, brings up the last problem with his arguments;
Fourth, Mr. “causafinitum causafinitum” / “waldens” has failed to address my charge against Mr. Chavez who is also guilty of these indirect associations (as well as direct associations) with known false teachers. This is a case of “do as I say, but not as I do,” which is hypocrisy, which is exactly what Mr. Chavez does, and is fully documented in my articles.
The Emails (please note the are verbatim what he posted as replies to the three blog articles):
causafinitum causafinitum <[email protected]>
Aug 15 (1 day ago)
to me, eternalsouljah (note, eternalsouljah is Joshua Chavez).
Hello Bob,
At the request of Servus Christi the information below.
I have added to the information Servus Christi asked me to send you, the following in the enclosures.
1. Letter Hamburg April 2017 Evangeliium21/T4G
Let me ask you this, were the Reformers infallible? (and let me answer:) No, they were not. While they were right about an awful lot of things, they were not right about everything. Nor are their writings considered Inspired Holy Scripture binding on everyone, including everyone who holds to Reformed theology. Therefore, requiring John MacArthur, et al, to be bound by John Owens statements about exposing the Roman Catholic church is simply unbiblical. It demonstrates a glaring lack of the facts as MacArthur and others have spoken out against the Roman Catholic church – publicly, on many, many occassions.
2. Proof witness True Body of Christ against Rome because of the preaching of Sola Scriptura.
Note number 1 above. And please note that you do not hold to Sola Scriptura in your bearing of false witness, as you appeal repeatedly to extra-biblical sources.
3. Proof links between Martin Bucer Seminary/ Heartcrymissionary/ PRTS/ Global Christian Forum
Not one of the photos or links shows Paul Washer, nor John MacArthur, nor anyone directly affiliated with HeartCry, or PRTS, standing next to each other, nor appearing on stage together with Thomas Schirrmacher. This issues are addressed above
4. Spurgeon on local churchgatherings Matthew 18v20
Please explain where Spurgeon is condemning guilt by association 2 or more times removed.
– Regarding the unsourced and unsigned splashed together document you sent me containing links to many Puritan writers referring to the pope as The Anti-Christ. What this proves is that many Puritan writers believed the pope is The Anti-Christ. This, in and of itself does not prove that the pope is the Anti-Christ. You would have to show where in God's Word the pope is explicitly and clearly shown to be The Anti-Christ. I think it is safe to say the various popes are an antichrist, but you cannot give definitive proof that the popes are THE ANTICHRIST.
All 4 enclosures after April 2017 communicated several times to Paul Washer ChristchurchRadford, Dr. John Macarthur OfficeofthePresident TMS,
Jordan Hall & Jeff Maples Pulpit and Pen, Phil Johnson TheGraceLifePulpit, T4G, Nocompromiseradio Mike Abenroth, Justin Peters, Chris Rosebrough F4F
and Thomas Sullivan Puritan Audiobooks.
Matthew 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Revelation 18v4, 2John9-11
Dennis
And he continues with another email:
From:
Sent: August 14, 2018 16:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: reply to Bob final version fyi.
https://reasonfiles.weebly.com/blog/regarding-servus-christi-part-one#comments
waldens link
8/14/2018 07:22:10 am
Hello Bob,
On the website www.bucer.de I came across the publication 'Querschnitte.' This publication is publiclty available on their website and I know is sent to those who want to receive it.
Here you have some examples of the last 2 years.
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-222018-ausgabe-539.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-212018-ausgabe-538.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-562017-ausgabe-517.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-252017-ausgabe-486.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-142017-ausgabe-475.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-662016-ausgabe-461.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-642016-ausgabe-459.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-602016-ausgabe-455.html
These are just some examples of what the President Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher in this publicly available website of Martin Bucer Seminary has shown in 2016-2018 to his leadership (https://www.bucer.de/mitarbeiter/leitung.html) and seminaries around the world including Brazil
(https://www.bucer.de/en/das-seminar/studienzentren.html).
Now in 2018 the President of Martin Bucer Seminary is promoting worldwide this book on the Global Christian Forum with the Vatican.
Everyone who investigates can see that also Dr. Titus Vogt and Dr. Johnson are participating in Global Christian Forum through IIRF who is doing worldwide projects for Global Christian Forum.
https://www.amazon.com/Discrimination-Persecution-Martyrdom-Following-Together/dp/1532653654/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534254170&sr=8-1&keywords=persecution+discrimination+global+christian+forum
In the video of Servus Christi you can see in 2018 the Director of Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil together with the President of Martin Bucer Seminary worldwide.
When you go and look at the Heartcrymissionary website you can find a video under France in which Paul Washer speaks very highly of. Dr. Franklin Ferreira.
Here you also can see Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher being part of a roman catholic order.
http://www.michaelarchangel.org/officers.html
As you, Bob, for yourself can investigate out of the video of Servus Christi on the link between Heartcrymissionary and Martin Bucer Seminary, you can know that all major USA ministries of Dr. John Macarthur, Dr. Al Mohler, Dr. Mark Dever, Dr. Joel R. Beeke, Paul Washer ... are in partnership with Fiel Ministries that is very closely connected to Martin Bucer Seminary of Dr. Franklin Ferreira whose President is Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher.
In 2018 Dr. Al Mohler and Tim Challies will present themselves at the national PASTORS conference of Fiel Ministries (whose chief editor is Pastoral director of Martin Bucer Seminary).
You can also investigate for yourself that since 2018 Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil has a master in historic theology together with PRTS of Dr. Joel R. Beeke (teacher of M.Div at TMS). Yes, the Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil who provides the Portuguese speaking world with conferences and material under the academic leadership of Martin Bucer Seminary of whom 3 actively work in the Global Christian Forum to outwardly unite with the Vatican with at its head pope Francis I (who ALL THE REFORMERS called THE antichrist of Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation).
All public material already extensively presented to JD Hall, Seth Dunn, Justin Peters, Phil Johnson, Chris Rosebrough, Dr. John Macarthur, T4G, Mike Abenroth and Paul Washer.
As I have noted in my articles, Mr. Whateveryournameactuallyis, I have investigated. And, as I also noted, you have proved that Thomas Schirrmacher is a false teacher aligning himself directly with other false teachers. You really did not have to expend all that time and energy saying what I have already said. It would have been a better use of your time to present evidence of direct association with these men and with Thomas Schirrmacher, rather than pointing out what a nefarious person he is, and how these men are at best indirectly connected to him. Again, this is what Mr. Chavez himself does with his “do as I say, but not as I do” methodology, thus exposing his own hypocrisy.
As you said, Bob,.....
Matthew 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Only this time those you defend as true church are compared with the Reformation and the English Puritans on what true protestantism is.
And then all that which you lay before Servus Christi comes against those you call true church in these 3 articles, namely that those you whitewash in 2017 (during 500 years of the Reformation worldwide) have WILLFULLY and PUBLICLY denied all the fundamental principles against Rome as stated in this work of Dr. John Owen on the nature of protestantism.
This is either a woefully inadequate attempt to divert unwanted attention away from Mr. Joshua Chavez; or, you are trying to say that as long as others whom Mr. Chavez wrongly accuses are exposed by others, he is free to continue his sinful attacks on the Body of Christ.
https://books.google.nl/books?id=5fJbAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=nature+of+protestantism+john+owen&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji7LX92ezcAhUJ3KQKHQddAlEQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=nature%20of%20protestantism%20john%20owen&f=false
This witness against Rome is missing in the more than a million Macarthur studybibles.
This witness against Rome is missing in the sold Reforma
And he continues with even more:
waldens link
8/14/2018 07:28:05 am
Only this time those you defend as true church are compared with the Reformation and the English Puritans on what true protestantism is.
And then all that which you lay before Servus Christi comes against those you call true church in these 3 articles, namely that those you whitewash in 2017 (during 500 years of the Reformation worldwide) have WILLFULLY and PUBLICLY denied all the fundamental principles against Rome as stated in this work of Dr. John Owen on the nature of protestantism.
And again, the articles I wrote are focused on the sins Mr. Chavez (and can we dispense with the anonymous pseudonyms, please? He signs his name as Joshua Chavez on his website. “Servus Christi” is a pen name and nothing more. We all know who he is, he isn't fooling anyone!). That I did not write an article on all these other men is not an indication of my whitewashing anything they may or may not have done. Furthermore, neither you nor Joshua Chavez have presented any evidence (other than associations two or more times removed) that a single one of them has “WILLFULLY and PUBLICLY denied all the fundamental principles against Rome as stated in this work of Dr. John Owen on the nature of Protestantism; and again, neither you nor Joshua Chavez has demonstrated that the writings of John Owen and other Protestants are inspired by God and binding on these men, or on any in the Church.
https://books.google.nl/books?id=5fJbAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=nature+of+protestantism+john+owen&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji7LX92ezcAhUJ3KQKHQddAlEQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=nature%20of%20protestantism%20john%20owen&f=false
This witness against Rome is missing in the more than a million Macarthur studybibles.
This witness against Rome is missing in the sold Reformation Study Bibles of Ligonier.
This witness against Rome is missing the sold RHB KJV Studybibles.
This witness against Rome is missing in the ESV.
This witness against is missing in T4G2016 promovideo 'we are protestants', missing at Shepcon 2017, Ligonier 2017, TGC 2017, G3Conference 2018, EBTC Germany 2017.
Good for you! You discovered that your personal standards are not used by anyone other than you. Unless you consider your standards to be inspired by God and infallible and if the compilers of these resources don't follow your standards, then they are obviously pro=Roman Catholic (of course this also means you failed to note the numerous times they actually did speak against the Roman Catholic church).
In August 2017 (500 year of the Reformation worldwide) a new academic commentary on Revelation was publshed by TGC Council member Dr. Richard Philips.
Please demonstrate that Dr. Richard Phillips is teaching Thomas Schirrmachers ecumenism. I'll wait.
https://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Reformed-Expository-Commentary-Commentaries/dp/1629952397/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534255408&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=richard+d+philpis+revelation
In this book recommendations can be read by Dr. J.I. Packer, Dr. Joel R. Beeke, Dr. Steven Lawson, Dr. Mark Dever, Dr Al Mohler.
Again in this book the witness against Rome is completely missing.
And again, please demonstrate that Packer, Beeke, Lawson, Dever, and Mohler are teaching Thomas Schirrmacher's ecumenism. Show where they are directly partnered (sans the guilt by association two or more times removed Joshua Chavez is noted for. And, while you're at it, please demonstrate that your standard (or John Owens standard for that matter) is inspired by God and infallible, and binding on all these men must present witness against Rome in this book (while it is not okay for them to speak out against Rome through any other venue).
As you know, Bob, in 2Thess2v8 the Lord Jesus Christ says that when He comes the Wicked shall be destroyed by the Breath of His Mouth and the Brightness of His Coming.
As you know, Bob, in Revelation 14v6-12 it says that after the preaching of the Everlasting Gospel immediately Babylon falls and those who have the mark of the Beast are strongly warned.
And again, please show where in Scripture, God explicitly states the pope is The Anti-Christ, and the papacy is Babylon.
Those whom you defend as true church (men like Dr. John Macarthur, Phil Johnson, JD Hall, Paul Washer, Chris Rosebrough etc..) DO NOT HAVE in their ministries the same witness as the Reformation against Rome, this because they dont call the pope THE antichrist of Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation, nor the papacy Babylon.
And again, please show where in Scripture, God explicitly states the pope is The Anti-Christ of Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation, and the papacy is Babylon. And, while you're at it, try searching their sermons and their books and see for yourself where they actually have condemned the Roman Church, not as The Anti-Christ as you require, but exposing it as false works of darkness as Scripture teaches.
You can know, Bob, that from the Reformers, to the English Puritans, to the Scottish Covenanters, to John Bunyan of Pilgrim's Progress, to Jonathan Edwards, to the Westminster Assembly, to Baptist 1677/1689, to C.H. Spurgeon, THEY ALL identified in their exposition from Scripture (especially Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelatin) that the pope is THE antichrist and th papacy Babylon as a fruit of their preaching the True Everlasting Gospel.
And again, please show me that the writings of the Reformers, the Puritans, the Scottish Covenanteers, etc., are inspired from God, and infallible, and binding on everyone in the Church. And again, I'll wait.
Those you call true church have the presumption they preach the True Everlasting Gospel, but Babylon IS NOT FALLING, No, they themselves present themselves in public (like Ligonier and T4G in Germany in 2017) together with leadership of Martin Bucer Seminary whose president promotes this worldwide spirituality that unites back again to Rome.
You wrote several paragraphs reiterating your earlier arguments that the pope is The Anti-Christ, and that many Puritans held the belief that he is The Anti-Christ, and that the papacy is Babylon; and again, you completely failed to provide any evidence that the Bible expressly and clearly teaches the Roman pope is THE Anti-Christ; just as again, you have completely failed to provide any evidence that what the Puritans wrote is inspired by God and infallible. You keep making these claims, and you keep failing to provide the evidence to support them!
https://www.amazon.com/Discrimination-Persecution-Martyrdom-Following-Together/dp/1532653654/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534255869&sr=8-1&keywords=persecution+discrimination+global+christian+forum
[and now for some ad hominems from him]
I am impressed, Bob, that you have so much courage do spiritually with Scripture destory one individual like Servus Christi who (with all his failings) at least tries to stand up for what is right, while you say nothing about the worldwide developments your 'true church' is either silent about or ignoring because it does not bring them profit.
Did you even read what I wrote? Or did you simply take Joshua Chavez's word on it? For if you had actually read it you would have read where I stated that I am not out to destroy Joshua Chavez. That I consider him a brother in the Lord, and as such I have a sincere love for him. But that love does not excuse his sin, nor does it excuse his need for repentance, his need to rectify, and his need to apologize for the sins he has committed against the Body of Christ.
To falsely accuse me of trying to destroy him is known as an ad hominem argument, attacking me personally rather than the context of what I actually wrote. And, I would point out, that what you are calling standing up for what is right, is a direct attack on, and bearing false witness on, the Church, the Body of Christ. That he publicly called all those brothers in Christ, all those horrendous names is slander, defamation of character … sin! You cannot deny that, nor try and explain it away as nothing more than harsh language. It is expressly forbidden in Scripture, and therefore it is sin, plain and simple!
And yet you do not address any of that, which was the main thrust of my articles. Joshua Chavez repeatedly refers to these brothers as false teachers and deceivers, and yet not only do you completely ignore that, neither of you have produced a single piece of false or deceitful teaching from any of the brothers he has slandered and defamed.
After your 3 pieces I think, Bob, you should go back to the cows in the rural country where your come from, for you act like a coward who dares to spiritually destroy the nothings with Scripture, but says nothing, absolutely nothing, about the hypocrisy and double standard that has been brough forward.
I should “go back to the cows in the rural country where your come from”? Aside from the obvious self-righteous (and poorly constructed sentence) slam, I have to ask, are you stalking me? You obviously know where I live. Since I have not revealed it to you, you must have been stalking me. And since you no doubt got that from stalking my Facebook page, you should have noticed what I did for a living for almost 25 years. I was in law enforcement. Part of my job for a huge portion of that career I was involved in investigations. You really should have noted that. So before you start with the implied threats (I know where you live, bwahahahaha!), be fully aware that I have dealt with criminals for many, many years, and I am fully capable of dealing with them now.
your comment that I am a coward is not only an ad hominem argument in and of itself, as well as a lie, but coming from someone who sends me implied threats through my email, well, it kind of seems you are projecting yourself onto me.
Dr. John Macarthur together with Phil Johnson first let TGC organise a conference in their own church after MLK50, then it appears TGC is Social Gospel Coalition, then it appears that almost all Shepcon friends of Dr. John Macarthur are part of the Social Gospel Coalition, now it even appears that leading figures at Revoice were proteges of Dr. Al Mohler and Dr. Tim Keller, ......
and now suddenly Dr John Macarthur is starting to write against the social gospel ???????
Aside from the obvious guilt by association two or more times removed (the stock in trade for Joshua Chavez, and now you, as well as for hypocritical legalistic Pharisaical types; John MacArthur has spoken against the social gospel for decades. Do you even know what the social gospel is? Have you ever listened to MacArthur's sermons, or read his books or blog articles? Have you actually done this research for yourself?
[and now he wants to take this to a personal level!]
Again, Bob, with 6 kids, more grandkids and almost more great grandchildren, having lived a nice life for 30 years,
Again with the Facebook stalking. Seriously? Or were you that strange looking creep I saw walking around town a while back? Either way, please re-read my above comments regarding my experience in dealing with criminals, and be advised I take a particularly dim view of those who threaten my family, whether that threat is explicit or implied. A Particularly Dim View. I cannot express that strongly enough. If you've got a beef with me, fine. That bothers me as much as a solitary gnat on a hot summer day. Bring my family into it, and you are taking things to a whole different level. All these implied threats that you are making, can you please show me in Scripture where Jesus threatened people with “I know where you live...” or where He threatened their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren? While I am not a betting man, I'll wager you cannot. Because that sort of cowardly nonsense never came from Jesus, but rather it is the devil himself who those kinds of things. Now, get off that ice you're treading on because it is mighty thin.
I can understand that your greatness cannot be darkened by such a nobody like Josh, who is Josh to dare to challenge such great ones in the church like Dr. John Macarthur and Paul Washer who are so accomplished and respected ? who will walk straight into heaven to teach the 24 elders how to biblically worship......
And then on top of ad hominem arguments, lies, and threats against my family and me, you now turn to smug sarcasm, mocking belittlement. You keep this up and you're gonna have some explaining to do old son. Not to me, but to God. It's called the Great White Throne Judgment. I'm sure you've heard about it. But I will extend to you the same benefit of the doubt that I have extended Joshua Chavez, and assume (against my better judgment) that you are a Christian. And I will ask you to repent, rectify, and apologize. Not just to me and my family, but to the brothers in Christ you too have slandered.
Worlwide the Vatican is coming together with most of the local churches in the world
Nope, no it is not, nor do you have any documentation to prove such conspiratorial paranoiac nonsense.
And he continues in yet another email:
waldens link
8/14/2018 07:36:27 am
Worlwide the Vatican is coming together with most of the local churches in the world, Dr. John Macarthur and Paul Washer operate worldwide the last 15 years, let them speak out publicly or forever take their abode with their Master in Rome who also denies the papal antichrist, who is also rich under an outward look of godliness and who also does not like the exposition on Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation the Reformers, the English Puritans, the Scottish Covenanters ....., C.H. Spurgeon gave namely that the church of Rome is THE church of THE antichrist.
I have already answered this nonsense, and more than once. And, by the way, I trust you realize you are starting to sound like a conspiracy cult.
I hope for you, Bob, your nice life now is not disturbed by such a nobody like me.
I have never said you are a nobody. Nor have I ever said Joshua Chavez is a nobody (so please, stop with the false humility already there is too much sarcasm in it to be real). You're both obviously somebody. From what I have seen (again, giving you both the benefit of the doubt) you are both sinning greatly against God the Father, God the Son, Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit, as well as against the Body of Christ. So my message to you is the same as it is to Joshua Chavez in that respect: Repent. Rectify. Reconcile with the God and the Body.
Matthew 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Take your own advice. You need to heed this, not I.
PS. Go and buy this book in which Dr. J.I. Packer presents himself with Roman Catholic Cardinal Dolan on 20 years Evangelicals and Catholics together. In this book Dr. J.I. Packer considers ECT as a prophetic movement the last 20 years.
You can find Dr. J. I. Packer recommending almost all books by Dr. Joel. R. Beeke, you can see him in a new film on the Puritans by PRTS of Dr. Joel R. Beeke, you can see him in the Reformation Study Bible of Ligonier as one of the trusted theologians of Dr. Sproul.
You seem to think that J.I. Packer's signing of ECT somehow means he accepted the entire concept of Evangelicals and Catholics as being one in unity, when nothing could be further from the truth. Was he wrong to sign it? Absolutely. Does it mean he aligned himself with the Roman church? No, it does not. Does it somehow mean any book he ever endorsed by any author now mean that those authors are now aligned with the Roman church. No, and there you go with the guilt by association twice or more removed; something you and Joshua are guilty of, thus making yourselves guilty of the “do as I say, not as I do” kind of hypocrisy.
https://www.amazon.com/Evangelicals-Catholics-Together-Twenty-Statements-ebook/dp/B012H10NJC/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1534257294&sr=1-1&keywords=evangelicals+and+catholics+together
Again, Bob, sorry if I have disturbed your prosperous life now in which your new found christianity only is a greater blessing to your already great life now. Compared to you I truly am nothing.
Your sarcasm and mockery is now so much expected, I think I might have been disappointed if you had not closed with more of the same. Now, go repent, rectify, and reconcile as you know you should. Oh, wait! You haven't closed! You wrote several more pages! Well, back into the fray!
Hello Bob,
For your information.
In this recent newsletter of Dr. Joel R. Beeke you can see him together with Dr. Steven Lawson after teaching and preaching at GTY/TMS.
http://www.joelbeeke.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/pastoral-letter-160-final-lo-res.pdf
Okay, so two guys who are both connected to GTY and TMS are together. And?????????
In this newsletter Dr. Joel R. Beeke writes about Dr. Tiago Santos (Chief Editor of Fiel Ministries, Pastoral Director of Martin Bucer Seminary (President Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher))
'Tiago Santos, a dear Brazilian friend who works for FIEL and for the Martin Bucer Seminary in Brazil, was a great help to
us in our days of need. His English was impeccable, which was a great help'
Here you can see that Dr. Joel R Beeke of PRTS and Dr. Franklin Ferreire of Martin Bucer Seminary (President Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher) have in 2018 a master historic theology together.
https://prts.edu/press-release-puritan-reformed-theological-seminary-martin-bucer-seminary-brasil-establish-collaborative-masters-doctoral-program/
http://martinbucer.com/thm/
Both Dr. Franklin Ferreira and Dr. Joel R Beeke know that Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher is the President of Martin Bucer Seminary.
Here you can see Dr. Joel R Beeke working together with Prof. Dr. Selderhuis of Refo500.
https://www.studiesinpuritanism.org/editors
Here you can read about Refo500.
https://www.pccmonroe.org/the-transcript-of-a-heart-of-the-matter-documentary-on-refo500-a-popish-octopus-with-a-very-long-reach.html
Dr. Joel R Beeke with PRTS is making a new film on the Puritans with Dr. J.I. Packer.
https://www.puritandocumentary.com/
Here you can read for yourself how prophetic Dr. J.I. Packer sees the movement Evangelicals and Catholics Together the last 20 years.
https://www.amazon.com/Evangelicals-Catholics-Together-Twenty-Statements-ebook/dp/B012H10NJC/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534264279&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=evangelicals+catholics+together+20+years
And I am still waiting for you to show me definitive proof that Beeke, Lawson, Santos, Ferreira, Selderhuis, Packer, and the entire faculty of all Martin Bucer Seminaries are teaching Schirrmacher's ecumenism. Still waiting.
So, dear Bob, Dr. John Macarthur and Dr. Steven Lawson in 2018 have Dr. Joel R Beeke teaching their TMS M.Div students. This after 2017 where they have gone around the world celebrating the protestant reformation of the protestants described in this book of Dr. John Owen.
https://books.google.nl/books?id=5fJbAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=john+owen+nature+of+protestantism&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjHq5ii_OzcAhWRbVAKHRDaDiQQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=john%20owen%20nature%20of%20protestantism&f=false
And yet, Dear Whateveryournameactuallyis more of your and Joshua's hypocritical “do as I say, but not as I do” guilt by association twice or more removed. You really need to repent and get a new schtick.
As already indicated in another post Dr. Steven Lawson, THE worldwide expert on expositional preaching, has recommened in 2017 a commentary on Revelation that completely lacks the witness of protestants against Rome as described in the book by Dr. John Owen on the nature of protestantism.
This although Dr. Steven Lawson has gone around the world talking about the lives of Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, Knox, Whitefield. Who all strangely enough, you guessed it, Bob, had as fruit of their preaching the True Gospel the calling the pope in Rome THE antichrist and the papacy Babylon.
Just because you feel the need to keep repeating yourself doesn't mean I feel the same need. Well, except in this instance. I will take you concern here seriously, when you can demonstrate to me that you standard is inspired by God and infallible, as well as the writings of the Reformers and Puritans, and that all Christians everywhere are bound by it. Only then.
You also know from another post that Dr. J.I. Packer is presented by Dr. R.C. Sproul as one of his trusted theologians in the Reformation Study Bible of Ligonier.
Please provide evidence of Dr. Packer's theology that is not Reformed.
So, dear Bob, you have Dr. John Macarthur and Dr. Steven Lawson having Dr. Joel R Beeke teaching the TMS M.Div students, knowing that Dr. Joel R. Beeke IN PUBLIC works on the Puritans together with the seminary of Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher and the theological university of Prof. Dr. Selderhuis of Refo500 and makes a move with Dr. J.I. Packer who is known for Evangelicals and Catholics Together 20 years with roman catholic cardinal Dolan.
So dear whateveryournameactuallyis, you have YOU, partnering with Joshua Chavez, you partners with Beresford Job, who actually recommends Paul Washer, John MacArthur, and John Piper who are condemned by Joshua and you; and you partner with Joshua Chavez, who partners with Jacob Prasch who partners with Chuck Smith who partnered with a drug addicted homosexual and with Rick Warren who partners with the pope directly; and Prasch also partners with Chuck Missler who partnered with NAR Prophet Kim Clement, who, in addition to repeatedly speaking false prophecies, also partnered with Benny Hinn, Bill Johnson, and almost everyone in the NAR, and thinks Pope Francis is God's Chosen.
You, dear Bob, may for yourself decide before God's Side how much one can deny of your person and your faith before starting to deny you as a person and deny your faith.
Therefore, you, dear whateveryournameactuallyis, must decide for yourself how much one can deny of your person and your faith, before God starts to deny you as one of His. To quote your good buddy Joshua Chavez, your associations equal your approval, and you are approving of a whole lot of heresy my friend. Repent.
Those who claim to love the Reformation and claim to love the English Puritans but purposely are keeping half their witness away from their studybibles and exposition of Scripture, are they not showing, dear Bob, that they are lying and slandering the saints ? For when someone in this day and age comes to them with the pope is the antichrist and the papacy is Babylon from Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation........
To be clear, while I agree with much of Reformation theology, it is God whom I love. The Triune God of Scripture. There is a great deal of truth in Reformation Theology and the writings of the Puritans. But they were not inspired, infallible, and inerrant. Scripture is. Well, unless you are Jacob Prasch who thinks God's word is insufficient, but I digress. MacArthur, Sproul, et al, are not keeping their Christian witness away from their study Bibles and sermons. For you to make such a ridiculous statement demonstrates you are ignorant of their works.
do you not together with Dr. John Macarthur, Dr. Al Mohler, Paul Washer, JD Hall, Chris Rosebrough, Phil Johnson ..... cry away with such a person for inspite of the Global Christian Forum in 2018 WE HAVE DECIDED that for THE CHURCH charismania and the social gospel are the greatest threats NOT the pope and the papacy.......
In a word, no. No for me, MacArthur, Mohler, Washer, Hall, Rosebrough, Johnson, and the others you and Joshua have borne false witness against. And again, for you to make such a ridiculous statements demonstrates you have no idea what these men have said and written.
All those mentioned have received an extensive list with extensive works why all the Reformers, the English Puritans, the Scottish Covenanters, the Waldenses, the Lollards, the Albigenses, Whycliff, Tyndale, John Foxe's book of Martyrs, Baptist 1677/1689, the Westminster Assembly, Jonathan Edwards, John Bunyan and C.H. Spurgeon TO THE MAN have said that according to Scripture and Gods Providence in churchhistory the pope in Rome is THE antichrist and the papacy Babylon.
Well, all I can say is, they apparently don't think “all the Reformers, the English Puritans, the Scottish Covenanters, the Waldenses, the Lollards, the Albigenses, Whycliff, Tyndale, John Foxe's book of Martyrs, Baptist 1677/1689, the Westminster Assembly, Jonathan Edwards, John Bunyan and C.H. Spurgeon TO THE MAN” are inspired, infallible and inerrant, nor that all their writings are binding to each and every Christian – just like not one of them TO THE MAN thought so either! Apparently, only you, and Joshua, and your partners think that way. That should tell you something, but at this point I doubt you catch it.
But Dr. John Macarthur, Phil Johnson,
But Dr. John Macarthur, Phil Johnson, Paul Washer, Jordan Hall .... DO NOT exposite from Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation that the pope is THE antichrist and the papacy Babylon, but than it is impossible that the same Babylon of Rev14v6-12 falls nor the Wicked of 2Thess2v8 is destroyed by the preaching of Christ, than they preach a false gospel and are false teachers.
Do you know why they don't exposit that from Scripture? I can tell you why (although I already have repeatedly in this update to my articles regarding Joshua Chavez, it is because the Scripture doesn't say that. Just because you infer it from Scripture after your own eisegetical reading of Scripture (thus imposing your presuppositional biases onto Scripture), doesn't mean everyone does. Stop projecting.
That is why they do not see a problem with the links between Heartcrymissionary, GTY, PRTS, 9Marks, SBTC, Ligonier etc... with Fiel Ministries/ Martin Bucer Seminary and Evangelium21 in Germany because they do not have to worry about Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation as they do not belong to the same Body of Christ as those martyrs who gave their lives for Christ during 605 years of Roman Catholic Inquisition.
Which is, of course, nothing but a smug self-righteous statement. You first find HeartCry, GTY, Ligonier, etc. guilty due to you extremely faulty and unbiblical guilt by association twice or more removed; and then you deem them not part of the Church! Since you and Joshua do the exact same thing, does that mean you are not part of the Church? Why are being so hypocritical!?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY
Nice video. But it does not support your false accusation. Not one bit.
That is why they can go in 2017 and 2018 across the world claiming to be sons of the reformation, without having to protest against the worldwide ecumenism that is happening right under their noses with Global Christian Forum and the Vatican.
Don't you ever get tired of the same old, easily refuted cannard?
They only have to preach their gospel to keep the money going.
If you can't see that for the obvious lie that it is, then you have been deceived my friend.
Sorry, Bob, I hope you can still keep your best life now with a christian outside going. I hope the sun will shine tomorrow so you can have a very nice time with everybody and perhaps write an article about the apocryphia or perhaps about tattoos and drinking from a christian perspective. Or perhaps about being a christian and making more than $250.000 a year, how you can stay upright before God's Sight.
And again with the sarcasm and mockery and hateful language you have learned at the feet of where? Certainly not at the feet of Jesus Christ! I'll ignore your comment that I am a false Christian. I expect that from the evil one. Not always from someone professing to be a Christian, but at least I catch it when it comes. And guess what, I actually did write an article series – not just one article, but a four part series exposing the apocrypha! Now, can you please quote for me Scripture that says a Christian cannot have a tattoo, or drink alcohol, or is only allowed to earn a certain amount? I suspect you cannot. And standing upright before the Creator of the Universe? No. I spend my time on my knees or belly when I approach Him, beating my chest and proclaiming my unworthiness of His salvation. I would not dream of being so self-righteous, so holier-than-thou, so full of myself and pride of self, that I would walk upright before my Holy God.
And he continues:
Hello Bob,
I am the person that Servus Christi talks about in minutes 32-35 of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJq3H8m8rKQ
and 'waldens' under this article http://beginningofsorrows.org/2018/06/28/paul-washer-heartcry-partner-with-ecumenical-pope-lover/.
I hope, dear Bob, all proof together with what I have written is clear to you. If you have questions, please go to the King of His True Militant Church, the Lord Jesus Christ, and complain about me to Him when you stand in your closet before the God of Heaven and Earth Who knows your heart and life.
Rest assured Mr. Whateveryournameactuallyis, I have gone before my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ many times about Joshua, and now you. And still I withstand the flaming darts from Joshua and you. But then, His grace is sufficient for me.
May the Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on your soul and those of your loved ones as far as you all have not done the sin against the Holy Ghost.
My friend, my Lord Jesus Christ has already had mercy on my soul; and I have not committed the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. I'm covered. It's you and Joshua and Jacob that I am concerned about.
Revelation 18v4, 2John9-11
You really should apply those verses to yourself. As should Joshua.
a stranger and a pilgrim
And he continues:
Hello Bob,
As you can investigate for yourself.
Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher is President of the Martin Bucer Seminary worldwide of which Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil is a part.
You can know that Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher is part of this Roman Catholic Order of Saint Michael Archangel.
http://www.michaelarchangel.org/officers.html
Here you have the official recognition by the Holy see of this Order.
https://royalblog.org/2016/10/06/order-of-saint-michael-receives-recognition-from-catholic-church/
As you yourself describe the Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil as only an independent sattelite of Martin Bucer Seminary with President Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher, here how Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil itself sees itself in the Martin Bucer Seminary worldwide.
(translation from Brazilian from mainpage martinbucer.com)
'Is Martin Bucer Seminary linked to any organization?
SMB is an extension of Martin Bucer Seminar in Germany. Its aim is to equip pastors and Christian leadership in general for the Brazilian evangelical churches. .......'
'How is Martin Bucer Seminar in Germany?
Martin Bucer Seminar is a reformed theological seminary founded in Germany, with its teaching grounded in the Reformed faith as set out in its main confessions of faith: the Three Forms of Unity, the Westminster Confession of Faith, and the Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689, and summarized in the doctrinal statement of Tyndale House, Cambridge. Martin Bucer Seminar has study centers in Berlin, Bielefeld, Bonn, Chemnitz, Hamburg, Pforzheim (Germany), Innsbruck, Linz (Austria), Zürich (Switzerland), Prague / Zlin (Czech Republic) and Istanbul (Turkey). MBS, an acronym for which it is known, has offered its Bachelor's and Master's degrees in Theology, with research emphases in the areas of ethics, Islamic studies, missions and religious freedom.
Dr. Thomas Schirrmacher is the rector of MBS, where he teaches in the areas of systematic, apologetic and ethical theology. He is a specialist in sociology of religion and active in the area of human rights and religious freedom. He is married to Christine Schirrmacher, who holds a PhD in Islamic Studies from the University of Bonn, Germany. Some of the couple's publications, in German, English and Spanish, can be read here: www.contra-mundum.org/schirrmacher.html. Titus Vogt is the Dean of MBS International Programs and teaches, among other subjects, Hebrew, Greek, systematic theology, history of theology and ethics, in the various MBS study centers......'
So, dear Bob, Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil is according to their own webpage an extention of Martin Bucer Seminary whose President is Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher who claim to have a profession of the orthodox reformed faith.
All at Martin Bucer Seminary worldwide can know that Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher is officer in a by the Holy See recogized order, they can know he promotes worlwide Global Christian Forum with the Vatican (see PUBLIC book GCF 2015 Tirana presented by Schirrmacher at GCF 2018 Bogotha) and they can know Schirrmacher through the WEA is a coffee buddy of Pope Francis I (who all the Reformers called THE antichrist from Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation).
This Dr. Franklin Ferreira knows about Schirrmacher.
This Dr. Joel R. Beeke knows about Schirrmacher.
This Luke Nash, Anthony Mathenia and Paul Washer know about the link between Dr. Franklin Ferreira and Schirrmacher.
This the USA ministries know about the link between Fiel Ministries/ Martin Bucer Seminary and Schirrmacher.
And now you, dear Bob, come forward to whitewash their public spiritual link to Fiel Ministries/ Martin Bucer Seminary of Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher by condenmning Servus Christi of what they are PUBLICLY guilty of on a worldwide scale.
Yearlong slandering, defaming and bearing false witness about the saints of the Lord Jesus Christ who knew the True Everlasting Gospel and because of that knew that the antichrist is in Rome for 1260 years, for which witness their beloved brothers and sisters in Christ suffered heavily during 605 years of roman catholic inquisition instituted by at least 75 brothers of pope Francis I, coffee boddy of Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher of Martin Bucer Seminary. Taking their witness even out of their studybibles like Dr. John Macarthur, Dr. Joel Beeke and Dr. Sproul did.
Demonstrating a gracious and unloving manner in treating the witness of the saints who preached the Everlasting Gospel by which Babylon falls by denying their witness in their exposition of Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation, yeah, even closing these parts of Scripture completely for their flocks. Saying in public that eschatology is only tertiair in comparison to the Gospel, thereby making a distinction that the Scripture does not make as the distinction earthly versus heavenly in Revelation is decisive who gets saved and the falling of Babylon must be a fruit of the preaching of the Everlasting Gospel. Those who in this day and age defend this witness from true protestantism f
I have already addressed this ad infinitum above. And why didn't you finish your sentence?
Those who in this day and age defend this witness from true protestantism from the Reformation are considered cooks and spiritually excommunicated from seminaries and churchbodies.
At TMS the student admission offices told me that if you would persist in this witness regarding the papal antichrist, I would eventually be asked to leave TMS. Just one example of many.
Perhaps if you could have only shown them where in Scripture the pope is explicitly stated to be The Anti-Christ. You can't. So, because you were spouting unscriptural opinions as facts, they would naturally ask you to leave.
Showing in 2017 worldwide hypocrisy by going around the world presenting themselves as sons of the reformation while knowingly and willingly denying the witness of the True Body of Christ against Rome, namely the fruit of their preaching the True Everlasting Gospel by which Babylon falls.
Already addressed this ad infinitum.
By denying the witness of the Reformation on papal Rome as THE antichrist from Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation they (TMS, Ligonier, Heartcrymissionary, PRTS, P&P, SBTS, Justin Peters, Christ Rosebrough, Phil Johnson, Mike Abenroth....) also wrongly apply and ignore the Word of God. This while THEY ALL have the witness of ALL THE REFORMERS, ALL THE PROTESTANT COMMENTARIES ON SCRIPTURE FROM THE REFORMATION, ALL THE DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF THEIR SUFFERING IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION, readily available to them for years, they willfully and purposely close their eyes and thereby the eyes of their flocks.
Already addressed this ad infinitum.
I have sent you, dear Bob, THE PROOF how strong this witness from the Reformation is and the confirmation of that proof after that by the English Puritans, the Scottish Covenanters, Whicliff, Tyndale, John Bunyan, C.H. Spurgeon and the suffering of the Waldenses, the Albigenses, the Lollards and the Hugenots.
Already addressed this ad infinitum, and you have sent me no “proof” whatsoever that supports your claims. None. Nor have you addressed any of the issues I raised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY
http://www.iconbusters.com/iconbusters/htm/true_ch/witn/html/title-in.htm
Already addressed this.
You, Bob, now have all the proof (of which the link Heartcrymissionary Martin Bucer Seminary is only a part), you decide whether the person giving you this proof is an enemy or a friend of the True Militant Church of the Lord Jesus Christ in history and present.
No, I have your unsupported assertions and nothing more. The only proof you have provided is of your sin of hypocrisy. Repent. Rectify, be Reconciled to the Body.
You, Bob, may decide this for yourself before God's Sight in your private devotions.
I have, after much prayer and study of yours and Joshua's words as compared to Scripture.
Last remark:
I'll bet it's not. But if you persist in regurgitating your false witness, it will be as I will close off the comments!
What Servus Christi has brought forward is hypocrisy amongst those you consider THE CHURCH, deal with it, Bob.
No, actually he hasn't. He has slandered, defamed, mocked, spoken hateful of and been hypocritical, and is (as are you) in sin against God.
I remark here that the last few weeks those who have had their mouth full of how important the Gospel is, have not adressed Servus Christi on his views on the coredoctrines of the Gospel. This is very telling as it seems when confronted themselves with their sin and hypocrisy suddenly the Gospel is not central anymore, but how quickly we can take the person who attacks us down by ignoring, silencing, ad hominem attacks and simply using Scripture to paint him as black as can be (as we ourselves are). BUT SERVUS CHRISTI NOR JACOB PRASCH ARE NOT ADRESSED ON THEIR VIEWS ON THE CORE DOCTRINES OF THE TRUE GOSPEL (WHICH SPURGEON CALLED CALVINISM) BY THOSE WHO ALL OVER THE PLACE REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT HOW IMPORTANT THE GOSPEL IS. THIS ONLY INCREASED THEIR AND YOUR HYPOCRISY.
Nope. No hypocrites here on my side of the keyboard. However, since neither you, nor Joshua Chavez have ever once asked me about my views on the core doctrines of the faith; while at the same time declared me a false Christian, well, I guess you have now exposed yourself as the hypocrite here my friend.
Even if Joshua was a heathen, he could have shown you probably the same hypocrisy simply on principle. That you, Bob, do not even accept this public proof of all the hypocrisy of those you consider THE CHURCH, is a grave sign of your insincerity and hypocrisy and that of those you whitewash with these articles.
If and probably do make a very convincing argument. Calling me a hypocrite (without proof), calling me insincere (without proof), calling me a whitewasher (without proof), and don't even get me started on your implied threats against my family and me! Speaks volumes about you, now doesn't it?
And by the way, your claim that I “whitewash with these articles” those whom Joshua Chavez “exposes” is utter nonsense, and I believe that anyone with even a modicum of common sense can see that. I wrote my articles about Joshua Chavez, not about anyone else. He alone was the subject of my articles. And, as I documented in my articles, I actually did say the things I have stated he said. There is no disputing it. Nor is there any valid disputation of the fact that Joshua Chavez is in serious sin due to his actions. Attempting to spin this around and accuse these men all over again is nothing more than a feeble attempt to take the spotlight off of Mr. Chavez and protect him from having to accept responsibility for his actions.
PS. I know it should be causafinita, I let it be to show I stand with those who could not read or write but suffer for Christ uprightly and truly.
And yet, I have not seen you stand with those who could not read or write but suffer for Christ. Certainly not uprightly and certainly not truly. Unless, of course, you consider stalking and implied threats to be upright and true.
P.S.: I also find your pseudonym to be curious. I trust you realize the common usage of your “name” is found in the Latin phrase, “Roma locuta, causa finita” (Rome has spoken, the discussion is over). Considering your antipathy towards Rome (which is, of course, well founded), I simply found is curious that you would take one of their phrases, and adapt it for your “name.” I guess now we will see if you will live up to your name, “the discussion is over.”
Let the Semantics Games Begin!
As well as the ad hominems, false humility, self-righteousness, implied threats, and more hypocritical guilt by association twice or more removed. In other words, more of the same.
After spending several days in the hospital, I came home to find a rather long (and I mean LONG) email response to my three part article on Regarding Servus Christi, written by “causafinitum causafinitum” and a response on my weblog posted by “waldens” (gotta love those anonymous names. Always makes you wonder what they are hiding. More on that later in this update.)
He (I believe they are the same person) has presented several “smoking gun” documents and websites that ostensibly support Mr. Chavez's contentions, and I intend to read them all, and respond to them. Enjoy.
In Mr. “causafinitum causafinitum” / “waldens” extensive response to my three articles, The vast majority of his comments concern the “partnerships” between Thomas Schirrmacher and thus the Roman Catholic church; and: Paul Washer/HeartCry Missionary Society & others at HeartCry, John MacArthur/The Master's Seminary & those affiliated with John MacArthur /Grace To You / The Master's Seminary, and numerous others individuals.
There are four huge problems with his arguments and voluminous “smoking gun” websites, public forums, etc., “evidence.” The first, is that he ignores completely the statement made by HeartCry that denies they were aware of any connection between Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil and Thomas Schirrmacher; including the glaring issue of HeartCry having any connection with Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil came before they were made aware of that connection, and that they had ceased any affiliation with the Brazilian seminary long before they were made aware of that connection.
The second, Mr. “causafinitum causafinitum” / “waldens” has failed to show that Martin Bucer Seminary (both in Brazil and Germany) actually teaches any of Schirrmacher's ecumenism.
Third, he has failed to show any direct connections between John MacArthur and Thomas Schirrmacher, nor direct connections between Paul Washer and Thomas Schirrmacher, etc. Show us the photos of these men with Thomas Schirrmacher. Show us where these people have ever met Thomas Schirrmacher. He cannot. Instead he relies on guilt by indirect association; which, brings up the last problem with his arguments;
Fourth, Mr. “causafinitum causafinitum” / “waldens” has failed to address my charge against Mr. Chavez who is also guilty of these indirect associations (as well as direct associations) with known false teachers. This is a case of “do as I say, but not as I do,” which is hypocrisy, which is exactly what Mr. Chavez does, and is fully documented in my articles.
The Emails (please note the are verbatim what he posted as replies to the three blog articles):
causafinitum causafinitum <[email protected]>
Aug 15 (1 day ago)
to me, eternalsouljah (note, eternalsouljah is Joshua Chavez).
Hello Bob,
At the request of Servus Christi the information below.
I have added to the information Servus Christi asked me to send you, the following in the enclosures.
1. Letter Hamburg April 2017 Evangeliium21/T4G
Let me ask you this, were the Reformers infallible? (and let me answer:) No, they were not. While they were right about an awful lot of things, they were not right about everything. Nor are their writings considered Inspired Holy Scripture binding on everyone, including everyone who holds to Reformed theology. Therefore, requiring John MacArthur, et al, to be bound by John Owens statements about exposing the Roman Catholic church is simply unbiblical. It demonstrates a glaring lack of the facts as MacArthur and others have spoken out against the Roman Catholic church – publicly, on many, many occassions.
2. Proof witness True Body of Christ against Rome because of the preaching of Sola Scriptura.
Note number 1 above. And please note that you do not hold to Sola Scriptura in your bearing of false witness, as you appeal repeatedly to extra-biblical sources.
3. Proof links between Martin Bucer Seminary/ Heartcrymissionary/ PRTS/ Global Christian Forum
Not one of the photos or links shows Paul Washer, nor John MacArthur, nor anyone directly affiliated with HeartCry, or PRTS, standing next to each other, nor appearing on stage together with Thomas Schirrmacher. This issues are addressed above
4. Spurgeon on local churchgatherings Matthew 18v20
Please explain where Spurgeon is condemning guilt by association 2 or more times removed.
– Regarding the unsourced and unsigned splashed together document you sent me containing links to many Puritan writers referring to the pope as The Anti-Christ. What this proves is that many Puritan writers believed the pope is The Anti-Christ. This, in and of itself does not prove that the pope is the Anti-Christ. You would have to show where in God's Word the pope is explicitly and clearly shown to be The Anti-Christ. I think it is safe to say the various popes are an antichrist, but you cannot give definitive proof that the popes are THE ANTICHRIST.
All 4 enclosures after April 2017 communicated several times to Paul Washer ChristchurchRadford, Dr. John Macarthur OfficeofthePresident TMS,
Jordan Hall & Jeff Maples Pulpit and Pen, Phil Johnson TheGraceLifePulpit, T4G, Nocompromiseradio Mike Abenroth, Justin Peters, Chris Rosebrough F4F
and Thomas Sullivan Puritan Audiobooks.
Matthew 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Revelation 18v4, 2John9-11
Dennis
And he continues with another email:
From:
Sent: August 14, 2018 16:39
To: [email protected]
Subject: reply to Bob final version fyi.
https://reasonfiles.weebly.com/blog/regarding-servus-christi-part-one#comments
waldens link
8/14/2018 07:22:10 am
Hello Bob,
On the website www.bucer.de I came across the publication 'Querschnitte.' This publication is publiclty available on their website and I know is sent to those who want to receive it.
Here you have some examples of the last 2 years.
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-222018-ausgabe-539.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-212018-ausgabe-538.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-562017-ausgabe-517.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-252017-ausgabe-486.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-142017-ausgabe-475.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-662016-ausgabe-461.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-642016-ausgabe-459.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-602016-ausgabe-455.html
These are just some examples of what the President Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher in this publicly available website of Martin Bucer Seminary has shown in 2016-2018 to his leadership (https://www.bucer.de/mitarbeiter/leitung.html) and seminaries around the world including Brazil
(https://www.bucer.de/en/das-seminar/studienzentren.html).
Now in 2018 the President of Martin Bucer Seminary is promoting worldwide this book on the Global Christian Forum with the Vatican.
Everyone who investigates can see that also Dr. Titus Vogt and Dr. Johnson are participating in Global Christian Forum through IIRF who is doing worldwide projects for Global Christian Forum.
https://www.amazon.com/Discrimination-Persecution-Martyrdom-Following-Together/dp/1532653654/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534254170&sr=8-1&keywords=persecution+discrimination+global+christian+forum
In the video of Servus Christi you can see in 2018 the Director of Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil together with the President of Martin Bucer Seminary worldwide.
When you go and look at the Heartcrymissionary website you can find a video under France in which Paul Washer speaks very highly of. Dr. Franklin Ferreira.
Here you also can see Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher being part of a roman catholic order.
http://www.michaelarchangel.org/officers.html
As you, Bob, for yourself can investigate out of the video of Servus Christi on the link between Heartcrymissionary and Martin Bucer Seminary, you can know that all major USA ministries of Dr. John Macarthur, Dr. Al Mohler, Dr. Mark Dever, Dr. Joel R. Beeke, Paul Washer ... are in partnership with Fiel Ministries that is very closely connected to Martin Bucer Seminary of Dr. Franklin Ferreira whose President is Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher.
In 2018 Dr. Al Mohler and Tim Challies will present themselves at the national PASTORS conference of Fiel Ministries (whose chief editor is Pastoral director of Martin Bucer Seminary).
You can also investigate for yourself that since 2018 Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil has a master in historic theology together with PRTS of Dr. Joel R. Beeke (teacher of M.Div at TMS). Yes, the Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil who provides the Portuguese speaking world with conferences and material under the academic leadership of Martin Bucer Seminary of whom 3 actively work in the Global Christian Forum to outwardly unite with the Vatican with at its head pope Francis I (who ALL THE REFORMERS called THE antichrist of Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation).
All public material already extensively presented to JD Hall, Seth Dunn, Justin Peters, Phil Johnson, Chris Rosebrough, Dr. John Macarthur, T4G, Mike Abenroth and Paul Washer.
As I have noted in my articles, Mr. Whateveryournameactuallyis, I have investigated. And, as I also noted, you have proved that Thomas Schirrmacher is a false teacher aligning himself directly with other false teachers. You really did not have to expend all that time and energy saying what I have already said. It would have been a better use of your time to present evidence of direct association with these men and with Thomas Schirrmacher, rather than pointing out what a nefarious person he is, and how these men are at best indirectly connected to him. Again, this is what Mr. Chavez himself does with his “do as I say, but not as I do” methodology, thus exposing his own hypocrisy.
As you said, Bob,.....
Matthew 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Only this time those you defend as true church are compared with the Reformation and the English Puritans on what true protestantism is.
And then all that which you lay before Servus Christi comes against those you call true church in these 3 articles, namely that those you whitewash in 2017 (during 500 years of the Reformation worldwide) have WILLFULLY and PUBLICLY denied all the fundamental principles against Rome as stated in this work of Dr. John Owen on the nature of protestantism.
This is either a woefully inadequate attempt to divert unwanted attention away from Mr. Joshua Chavez; or, you are trying to say that as long as others whom Mr. Chavez wrongly accuses are exposed by others, he is free to continue his sinful attacks on the Body of Christ.
https://books.google.nl/books?id=5fJbAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=nature+of+protestantism+john+owen&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji7LX92ezcAhUJ3KQKHQddAlEQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=nature%20of%20protestantism%20john%20owen&f=false
This witness against Rome is missing in the more than a million Macarthur studybibles.
This witness against Rome is missing in the sold Reforma
And he continues with even more:
waldens link
8/14/2018 07:28:05 am
Only this time those you defend as true church are compared with the Reformation and the English Puritans on what true protestantism is.
And then all that which you lay before Servus Christi comes against those you call true church in these 3 articles, namely that those you whitewash in 2017 (during 500 years of the Reformation worldwide) have WILLFULLY and PUBLICLY denied all the fundamental principles against Rome as stated in this work of Dr. John Owen on the nature of protestantism.
And again, the articles I wrote are focused on the sins Mr. Chavez (and can we dispense with the anonymous pseudonyms, please? He signs his name as Joshua Chavez on his website. “Servus Christi” is a pen name and nothing more. We all know who he is, he isn't fooling anyone!). That I did not write an article on all these other men is not an indication of my whitewashing anything they may or may not have done. Furthermore, neither you nor Joshua Chavez have presented any evidence (other than associations two or more times removed) that a single one of them has “WILLFULLY and PUBLICLY denied all the fundamental principles against Rome as stated in this work of Dr. John Owen on the nature of Protestantism; and again, neither you nor Joshua Chavez has demonstrated that the writings of John Owen and other Protestants are inspired by God and binding on these men, or on any in the Church.
https://books.google.nl/books?id=5fJbAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=nature+of+protestantism+john+owen&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji7LX92ezcAhUJ3KQKHQddAlEQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=nature%20of%20protestantism%20john%20owen&f=false
This witness against Rome is missing in the more than a million Macarthur studybibles.
This witness against Rome is missing in the sold Reformation Study Bibles of Ligonier.
This witness against Rome is missing the sold RHB KJV Studybibles.
This witness against Rome is missing in the ESV.
This witness against is missing in T4G2016 promovideo 'we are protestants', missing at Shepcon 2017, Ligonier 2017, TGC 2017, G3Conference 2018, EBTC Germany 2017.
Good for you! You discovered that your personal standards are not used by anyone other than you. Unless you consider your standards to be inspired by God and infallible and if the compilers of these resources don't follow your standards, then they are obviously pro=Roman Catholic (of course this also means you failed to note the numerous times they actually did speak against the Roman Catholic church).
In August 2017 (500 year of the Reformation worldwide) a new academic commentary on Revelation was publshed by TGC Council member Dr. Richard Philips.
Please demonstrate that Dr. Richard Phillips is teaching Thomas Schirrmachers ecumenism. I'll wait.
https://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Reformed-Expository-Commentary-Commentaries/dp/1629952397/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534255408&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=richard+d+philpis+revelation
In this book recommendations can be read by Dr. J.I. Packer, Dr. Joel R. Beeke, Dr. Steven Lawson, Dr. Mark Dever, Dr Al Mohler.
Again in this book the witness against Rome is completely missing.
And again, please demonstrate that Packer, Beeke, Lawson, Dever, and Mohler are teaching Thomas Schirrmacher's ecumenism. Show where they are directly partnered (sans the guilt by association two or more times removed Joshua Chavez is noted for. And, while you're at it, please demonstrate that your standard (or John Owens standard for that matter) is inspired by God and infallible, and binding on all these men must present witness against Rome in this book (while it is not okay for them to speak out against Rome through any other venue).
As you know, Bob, in 2Thess2v8 the Lord Jesus Christ says that when He comes the Wicked shall be destroyed by the Breath of His Mouth and the Brightness of His Coming.
As you know, Bob, in Revelation 14v6-12 it says that after the preaching of the Everlasting Gospel immediately Babylon falls and those who have the mark of the Beast are strongly warned.
And again, please show where in Scripture, God explicitly states the pope is The Anti-Christ, and the papacy is Babylon.
Those whom you defend as true church (men like Dr. John Macarthur, Phil Johnson, JD Hall, Paul Washer, Chris Rosebrough etc..) DO NOT HAVE in their ministries the same witness as the Reformation against Rome, this because they dont call the pope THE antichrist of Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation, nor the papacy Babylon.
And again, please show where in Scripture, God explicitly states the pope is The Anti-Christ of Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation, and the papacy is Babylon. And, while you're at it, try searching their sermons and their books and see for yourself where they actually have condemned the Roman Church, not as The Anti-Christ as you require, but exposing it as false works of darkness as Scripture teaches.
You can know, Bob, that from the Reformers, to the English Puritans, to the Scottish Covenanters, to John Bunyan of Pilgrim's Progress, to Jonathan Edwards, to the Westminster Assembly, to Baptist 1677/1689, to C.H. Spurgeon, THEY ALL identified in their exposition from Scripture (especially Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelatin) that the pope is THE antichrist and th papacy Babylon as a fruit of their preaching the True Everlasting Gospel.
And again, please show me that the writings of the Reformers, the Puritans, the Scottish Covenanteers, etc., are inspired from God, and infallible, and binding on everyone in the Church. And again, I'll wait.
Those you call true church have the presumption they preach the True Everlasting Gospel, but Babylon IS NOT FALLING, No, they themselves present themselves in public (like Ligonier and T4G in Germany in 2017) together with leadership of Martin Bucer Seminary whose president promotes this worldwide spirituality that unites back again to Rome.
You wrote several paragraphs reiterating your earlier arguments that the pope is The Anti-Christ, and that many Puritans held the belief that he is The Anti-Christ, and that the papacy is Babylon; and again, you completely failed to provide any evidence that the Bible expressly and clearly teaches the Roman pope is THE Anti-Christ; just as again, you have completely failed to provide any evidence that what the Puritans wrote is inspired by God and infallible. You keep making these claims, and you keep failing to provide the evidence to support them!
https://www.amazon.com/Discrimination-Persecution-Martyrdom-Following-Together/dp/1532653654/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534255869&sr=8-1&keywords=persecution+discrimination+global+christian+forum
[and now for some ad hominems from him]
I am impressed, Bob, that you have so much courage do spiritually with Scripture destory one individual like Servus Christi who (with all his failings) at least tries to stand up for what is right, while you say nothing about the worldwide developments your 'true church' is either silent about or ignoring because it does not bring them profit.
Did you even read what I wrote? Or did you simply take Joshua Chavez's word on it? For if you had actually read it you would have read where I stated that I am not out to destroy Joshua Chavez. That I consider him a brother in the Lord, and as such I have a sincere love for him. But that love does not excuse his sin, nor does it excuse his need for repentance, his need to rectify, and his need to apologize for the sins he has committed against the Body of Christ.
To falsely accuse me of trying to destroy him is known as an ad hominem argument, attacking me personally rather than the context of what I actually wrote. And, I would point out, that what you are calling standing up for what is right, is a direct attack on, and bearing false witness on, the Church, the Body of Christ. That he publicly called all those brothers in Christ, all those horrendous names is slander, defamation of character … sin! You cannot deny that, nor try and explain it away as nothing more than harsh language. It is expressly forbidden in Scripture, and therefore it is sin, plain and simple!
And yet you do not address any of that, which was the main thrust of my articles. Joshua Chavez repeatedly refers to these brothers as false teachers and deceivers, and yet not only do you completely ignore that, neither of you have produced a single piece of false or deceitful teaching from any of the brothers he has slandered and defamed.
After your 3 pieces I think, Bob, you should go back to the cows in the rural country where your come from, for you act like a coward who dares to spiritually destroy the nothings with Scripture, but says nothing, absolutely nothing, about the hypocrisy and double standard that has been brough forward.
I should “go back to the cows in the rural country where your come from”? Aside from the obvious self-righteous (and poorly constructed sentence) slam, I have to ask, are you stalking me? You obviously know where I live. Since I have not revealed it to you, you must have been stalking me. And since you no doubt got that from stalking my Facebook page, you should have noticed what I did for a living for almost 25 years. I was in law enforcement. Part of my job for a huge portion of that career I was involved in investigations. You really should have noted that. So before you start with the implied threats (I know where you live, bwahahahaha!), be fully aware that I have dealt with criminals for many, many years, and I am fully capable of dealing with them now.
your comment that I am a coward is not only an ad hominem argument in and of itself, as well as a lie, but coming from someone who sends me implied threats through my email, well, it kind of seems you are projecting yourself onto me.
Dr. John Macarthur together with Phil Johnson first let TGC organise a conference in their own church after MLK50, then it appears TGC is Social Gospel Coalition, then it appears that almost all Shepcon friends of Dr. John Macarthur are part of the Social Gospel Coalition, now it even appears that leading figures at Revoice were proteges of Dr. Al Mohler and Dr. Tim Keller, ......
and now suddenly Dr John Macarthur is starting to write against the social gospel ???????
Aside from the obvious guilt by association two or more times removed (the stock in trade for Joshua Chavez, and now you, as well as for hypocritical legalistic Pharisaical types; John MacArthur has spoken against the social gospel for decades. Do you even know what the social gospel is? Have you ever listened to MacArthur's sermons, or read his books or blog articles? Have you actually done this research for yourself?
[and now he wants to take this to a personal level!]
Again, Bob, with 6 kids, more grandkids and almost more great grandchildren, having lived a nice life for 30 years,
Again with the Facebook stalking. Seriously? Or were you that strange looking creep I saw walking around town a while back? Either way, please re-read my above comments regarding my experience in dealing with criminals, and be advised I take a particularly dim view of those who threaten my family, whether that threat is explicit or implied. A Particularly Dim View. I cannot express that strongly enough. If you've got a beef with me, fine. That bothers me as much as a solitary gnat on a hot summer day. Bring my family into it, and you are taking things to a whole different level. All these implied threats that you are making, can you please show me in Scripture where Jesus threatened people with “I know where you live...” or where He threatened their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren? While I am not a betting man, I'll wager you cannot. Because that sort of cowardly nonsense never came from Jesus, but rather it is the devil himself who those kinds of things. Now, get off that ice you're treading on because it is mighty thin.
I can understand that your greatness cannot be darkened by such a nobody like Josh, who is Josh to dare to challenge such great ones in the church like Dr. John Macarthur and Paul Washer who are so accomplished and respected ? who will walk straight into heaven to teach the 24 elders how to biblically worship......
And then on top of ad hominem arguments, lies, and threats against my family and me, you now turn to smug sarcasm, mocking belittlement. You keep this up and you're gonna have some explaining to do old son. Not to me, but to God. It's called the Great White Throne Judgment. I'm sure you've heard about it. But I will extend to you the same benefit of the doubt that I have extended Joshua Chavez, and assume (against my better judgment) that you are a Christian. And I will ask you to repent, rectify, and apologize. Not just to me and my family, but to the brothers in Christ you too have slandered.
Worlwide the Vatican is coming together with most of the local churches in the world
Nope, no it is not, nor do you have any documentation to prove such conspiratorial paranoiac nonsense.
And he continues in yet another email:
waldens link
8/14/2018 07:36:27 am
Worlwide the Vatican is coming together with most of the local churches in the world, Dr. John Macarthur and Paul Washer operate worldwide the last 15 years, let them speak out publicly or forever take their abode with their Master in Rome who also denies the papal antichrist, who is also rich under an outward look of godliness and who also does not like the exposition on Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation the Reformers, the English Puritans, the Scottish Covenanters ....., C.H. Spurgeon gave namely that the church of Rome is THE church of THE antichrist.
I have already answered this nonsense, and more than once. And, by the way, I trust you realize you are starting to sound like a conspiracy cult.
I hope for you, Bob, your nice life now is not disturbed by such a nobody like me.
I have never said you are a nobody. Nor have I ever said Joshua Chavez is a nobody (so please, stop with the false humility already there is too much sarcasm in it to be real). You're both obviously somebody. From what I have seen (again, giving you both the benefit of the doubt) you are both sinning greatly against God the Father, God the Son, Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit, as well as against the Body of Christ. So my message to you is the same as it is to Joshua Chavez in that respect: Repent. Rectify. Reconcile with the God and the Body.
Matthew 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Take your own advice. You need to heed this, not I.
PS. Go and buy this book in which Dr. J.I. Packer presents himself with Roman Catholic Cardinal Dolan on 20 years Evangelicals and Catholics together. In this book Dr. J.I. Packer considers ECT as a prophetic movement the last 20 years.
You can find Dr. J. I. Packer recommending almost all books by Dr. Joel. R. Beeke, you can see him in a new film on the Puritans by PRTS of Dr. Joel R. Beeke, you can see him in the Reformation Study Bible of Ligonier as one of the trusted theologians of Dr. Sproul.
You seem to think that J.I. Packer's signing of ECT somehow means he accepted the entire concept of Evangelicals and Catholics as being one in unity, when nothing could be further from the truth. Was he wrong to sign it? Absolutely. Does it mean he aligned himself with the Roman church? No, it does not. Does it somehow mean any book he ever endorsed by any author now mean that those authors are now aligned with the Roman church. No, and there you go with the guilt by association twice or more removed; something you and Joshua are guilty of, thus making yourselves guilty of the “do as I say, not as I do” kind of hypocrisy.
https://www.amazon.com/Evangelicals-Catholics-Together-Twenty-Statements-ebook/dp/B012H10NJC/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1534257294&sr=1-1&keywords=evangelicals+and+catholics+together
Again, Bob, sorry if I have disturbed your prosperous life now in which your new found christianity only is a greater blessing to your already great life now. Compared to you I truly am nothing.
Your sarcasm and mockery is now so much expected, I think I might have been disappointed if you had not closed with more of the same. Now, go repent, rectify, and reconcile as you know you should. Oh, wait! You haven't closed! You wrote several more pages! Well, back into the fray!
Hello Bob,
For your information.
In this recent newsletter of Dr. Joel R. Beeke you can see him together with Dr. Steven Lawson after teaching and preaching at GTY/TMS.
http://www.joelbeeke.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/pastoral-letter-160-final-lo-res.pdf
Okay, so two guys who are both connected to GTY and TMS are together. And?????????
In this newsletter Dr. Joel R. Beeke writes about Dr. Tiago Santos (Chief Editor of Fiel Ministries, Pastoral Director of Martin Bucer Seminary (President Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher))
'Tiago Santos, a dear Brazilian friend who works for FIEL and for the Martin Bucer Seminary in Brazil, was a great help to
us in our days of need. His English was impeccable, which was a great help'
Here you can see that Dr. Joel R Beeke of PRTS and Dr. Franklin Ferreire of Martin Bucer Seminary (President Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher) have in 2018 a master historic theology together.
https://prts.edu/press-release-puritan-reformed-theological-seminary-martin-bucer-seminary-brasil-establish-collaborative-masters-doctoral-program/
http://martinbucer.com/thm/
Both Dr. Franklin Ferreira and Dr. Joel R Beeke know that Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher is the President of Martin Bucer Seminary.
Here you can see Dr. Joel R Beeke working together with Prof. Dr. Selderhuis of Refo500.
https://www.studiesinpuritanism.org/editors
Here you can read about Refo500.
https://www.pccmonroe.org/the-transcript-of-a-heart-of-the-matter-documentary-on-refo500-a-popish-octopus-with-a-very-long-reach.html
Dr. Joel R Beeke with PRTS is making a new film on the Puritans with Dr. J.I. Packer.
https://www.puritandocumentary.com/
Here you can read for yourself how prophetic Dr. J.I. Packer sees the movement Evangelicals and Catholics Together the last 20 years.
https://www.amazon.com/Evangelicals-Catholics-Together-Twenty-Statements-ebook/dp/B012H10NJC/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534264279&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=evangelicals+catholics+together+20+years
And I am still waiting for you to show me definitive proof that Beeke, Lawson, Santos, Ferreira, Selderhuis, Packer, and the entire faculty of all Martin Bucer Seminaries are teaching Schirrmacher's ecumenism. Still waiting.
So, dear Bob, Dr. John Macarthur and Dr. Steven Lawson in 2018 have Dr. Joel R Beeke teaching their TMS M.Div students. This after 2017 where they have gone around the world celebrating the protestant reformation of the protestants described in this book of Dr. John Owen.
https://books.google.nl/books?id=5fJbAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=john+owen+nature+of+protestantism&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjHq5ii_OzcAhWRbVAKHRDaDiQQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=john%20owen%20nature%20of%20protestantism&f=false
And yet, Dear Whateveryournameactuallyis more of your and Joshua's hypocritical “do as I say, but not as I do” guilt by association twice or more removed. You really need to repent and get a new schtick.
As already indicated in another post Dr. Steven Lawson, THE worldwide expert on expositional preaching, has recommened in 2017 a commentary on Revelation that completely lacks the witness of protestants against Rome as described in the book by Dr. John Owen on the nature of protestantism.
This although Dr. Steven Lawson has gone around the world talking about the lives of Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, Knox, Whitefield. Who all strangely enough, you guessed it, Bob, had as fruit of their preaching the True Gospel the calling the pope in Rome THE antichrist and the papacy Babylon.
Just because you feel the need to keep repeating yourself doesn't mean I feel the same need. Well, except in this instance. I will take you concern here seriously, when you can demonstrate to me that you standard is inspired by God and infallible, as well as the writings of the Reformers and Puritans, and that all Christians everywhere are bound by it. Only then.
You also know from another post that Dr. J.I. Packer is presented by Dr. R.C. Sproul as one of his trusted theologians in the Reformation Study Bible of Ligonier.
Please provide evidence of Dr. Packer's theology that is not Reformed.
So, dear Bob, you have Dr. John Macarthur and Dr. Steven Lawson having Dr. Joel R Beeke teaching the TMS M.Div students, knowing that Dr. Joel R. Beeke IN PUBLIC works on the Puritans together with the seminary of Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher and the theological university of Prof. Dr. Selderhuis of Refo500 and makes a move with Dr. J.I. Packer who is known for Evangelicals and Catholics Together 20 years with roman catholic cardinal Dolan.
So dear whateveryournameactuallyis, you have YOU, partnering with Joshua Chavez, you partners with Beresford Job, who actually recommends Paul Washer, John MacArthur, and John Piper who are condemned by Joshua and you; and you partner with Joshua Chavez, who partners with Jacob Prasch who partners with Chuck Smith who partnered with a drug addicted homosexual and with Rick Warren who partners with the pope directly; and Prasch also partners with Chuck Missler who partnered with NAR Prophet Kim Clement, who, in addition to repeatedly speaking false prophecies, also partnered with Benny Hinn, Bill Johnson, and almost everyone in the NAR, and thinks Pope Francis is God's Chosen.
You, dear Bob, may for yourself decide before God's Side how much one can deny of your person and your faith before starting to deny you as a person and deny your faith.
Therefore, you, dear whateveryournameactuallyis, must decide for yourself how much one can deny of your person and your faith, before God starts to deny you as one of His. To quote your good buddy Joshua Chavez, your associations equal your approval, and you are approving of a whole lot of heresy my friend. Repent.
Those who claim to love the Reformation and claim to love the English Puritans but purposely are keeping half their witness away from their studybibles and exposition of Scripture, are they not showing, dear Bob, that they are lying and slandering the saints ? For when someone in this day and age comes to them with the pope is the antichrist and the papacy is Babylon from Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation........
To be clear, while I agree with much of Reformation theology, it is God whom I love. The Triune God of Scripture. There is a great deal of truth in Reformation Theology and the writings of the Puritans. But they were not inspired, infallible, and inerrant. Scripture is. Well, unless you are Jacob Prasch who thinks God's word is insufficient, but I digress. MacArthur, Sproul, et al, are not keeping their Christian witness away from their study Bibles and sermons. For you to make such a ridiculous statement demonstrates you are ignorant of their works.
do you not together with Dr. John Macarthur, Dr. Al Mohler, Paul Washer, JD Hall, Chris Rosebrough, Phil Johnson ..... cry away with such a person for inspite of the Global Christian Forum in 2018 WE HAVE DECIDED that for THE CHURCH charismania and the social gospel are the greatest threats NOT the pope and the papacy.......
In a word, no. No for me, MacArthur, Mohler, Washer, Hall, Rosebrough, Johnson, and the others you and Joshua have borne false witness against. And again, for you to make such a ridiculous statements demonstrates you have no idea what these men have said and written.
All those mentioned have received an extensive list with extensive works why all the Reformers, the English Puritans, the Scottish Covenanters, the Waldenses, the Lollards, the Albigenses, Whycliff, Tyndale, John Foxe's book of Martyrs, Baptist 1677/1689, the Westminster Assembly, Jonathan Edwards, John Bunyan and C.H. Spurgeon TO THE MAN have said that according to Scripture and Gods Providence in churchhistory the pope in Rome is THE antichrist and the papacy Babylon.
Well, all I can say is, they apparently don't think “all the Reformers, the English Puritans, the Scottish Covenanters, the Waldenses, the Lollards, the Albigenses, Whycliff, Tyndale, John Foxe's book of Martyrs, Baptist 1677/1689, the Westminster Assembly, Jonathan Edwards, John Bunyan and C.H. Spurgeon TO THE MAN” are inspired, infallible and inerrant, nor that all their writings are binding to each and every Christian – just like not one of them TO THE MAN thought so either! Apparently, only you, and Joshua, and your partners think that way. That should tell you something, but at this point I doubt you catch it.
But Dr. John Macarthur, Phil Johnson,
But Dr. John Macarthur, Phil Johnson, Paul Washer, Jordan Hall .... DO NOT exposite from Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation that the pope is THE antichrist and the papacy Babylon, but than it is impossible that the same Babylon of Rev14v6-12 falls nor the Wicked of 2Thess2v8 is destroyed by the preaching of Christ, than they preach a false gospel and are false teachers.
Do you know why they don't exposit that from Scripture? I can tell you why (although I already have repeatedly in this update to my articles regarding Joshua Chavez, it is because the Scripture doesn't say that. Just because you infer it from Scripture after your own eisegetical reading of Scripture (thus imposing your presuppositional biases onto Scripture), doesn't mean everyone does. Stop projecting.
That is why they do not see a problem with the links between Heartcrymissionary, GTY, PRTS, 9Marks, SBTC, Ligonier etc... with Fiel Ministries/ Martin Bucer Seminary and Evangelium21 in Germany because they do not have to worry about Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation as they do not belong to the same Body of Christ as those martyrs who gave their lives for Christ during 605 years of Roman Catholic Inquisition.
Which is, of course, nothing but a smug self-righteous statement. You first find HeartCry, GTY, Ligonier, etc. guilty due to you extremely faulty and unbiblical guilt by association twice or more removed; and then you deem them not part of the Church! Since you and Joshua do the exact same thing, does that mean you are not part of the Church? Why are being so hypocritical!?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY
Nice video. But it does not support your false accusation. Not one bit.
That is why they can go in 2017 and 2018 across the world claiming to be sons of the reformation, without having to protest against the worldwide ecumenism that is happening right under their noses with Global Christian Forum and the Vatican.
Don't you ever get tired of the same old, easily refuted cannard?
They only have to preach their gospel to keep the money going.
If you can't see that for the obvious lie that it is, then you have been deceived my friend.
Sorry, Bob, I hope you can still keep your best life now with a christian outside going. I hope the sun will shine tomorrow so you can have a very nice time with everybody and perhaps write an article about the apocryphia or perhaps about tattoos and drinking from a christian perspective. Or perhaps about being a christian and making more than $250.000 a year, how you can stay upright before God's Sight.
And again with the sarcasm and mockery and hateful language you have learned at the feet of where? Certainly not at the feet of Jesus Christ! I'll ignore your comment that I am a false Christian. I expect that from the evil one. Not always from someone professing to be a Christian, but at least I catch it when it comes. And guess what, I actually did write an article series – not just one article, but a four part series exposing the apocrypha! Now, can you please quote for me Scripture that says a Christian cannot have a tattoo, or drink alcohol, or is only allowed to earn a certain amount? I suspect you cannot. And standing upright before the Creator of the Universe? No. I spend my time on my knees or belly when I approach Him, beating my chest and proclaiming my unworthiness of His salvation. I would not dream of being so self-righteous, so holier-than-thou, so full of myself and pride of self, that I would walk upright before my Holy God.
And he continues:
Hello Bob,
I am the person that Servus Christi talks about in minutes 32-35 of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJq3H8m8rKQ
and 'waldens' under this article http://beginningofsorrows.org/2018/06/28/paul-washer-heartcry-partner-with-ecumenical-pope-lover/.
I hope, dear Bob, all proof together with what I have written is clear to you. If you have questions, please go to the King of His True Militant Church, the Lord Jesus Christ, and complain about me to Him when you stand in your closet before the God of Heaven and Earth Who knows your heart and life.
Rest assured Mr. Whateveryournameactuallyis, I have gone before my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ many times about Joshua, and now you. And still I withstand the flaming darts from Joshua and you. But then, His grace is sufficient for me.
May the Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on your soul and those of your loved ones as far as you all have not done the sin against the Holy Ghost.
My friend, my Lord Jesus Christ has already had mercy on my soul; and I have not committed the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. I'm covered. It's you and Joshua and Jacob that I am concerned about.
Revelation 18v4, 2John9-11
You really should apply those verses to yourself. As should Joshua.
a stranger and a pilgrim
And he continues:
Hello Bob,
As you can investigate for yourself.
Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher is President of the Martin Bucer Seminary worldwide of which Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil is a part.
You can know that Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher is part of this Roman Catholic Order of Saint Michael Archangel.
http://www.michaelarchangel.org/officers.html
Here you have the official recognition by the Holy see of this Order.
https://royalblog.org/2016/10/06/order-of-saint-michael-receives-recognition-from-catholic-church/
As you yourself describe the Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil as only an independent sattelite of Martin Bucer Seminary with President Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher, here how Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil itself sees itself in the Martin Bucer Seminary worldwide.
(translation from Brazilian from mainpage martinbucer.com)
'Is Martin Bucer Seminary linked to any organization?
SMB is an extension of Martin Bucer Seminar in Germany. Its aim is to equip pastors and Christian leadership in general for the Brazilian evangelical churches. .......'
'How is Martin Bucer Seminar in Germany?
Martin Bucer Seminar is a reformed theological seminary founded in Germany, with its teaching grounded in the Reformed faith as set out in its main confessions of faith: the Three Forms of Unity, the Westminster Confession of Faith, and the Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689, and summarized in the doctrinal statement of Tyndale House, Cambridge. Martin Bucer Seminar has study centers in Berlin, Bielefeld, Bonn, Chemnitz, Hamburg, Pforzheim (Germany), Innsbruck, Linz (Austria), Zürich (Switzerland), Prague / Zlin (Czech Republic) and Istanbul (Turkey). MBS, an acronym for which it is known, has offered its Bachelor's and Master's degrees in Theology, with research emphases in the areas of ethics, Islamic studies, missions and religious freedom.
Dr. Thomas Schirrmacher is the rector of MBS, where he teaches in the areas of systematic, apologetic and ethical theology. He is a specialist in sociology of religion and active in the area of human rights and religious freedom. He is married to Christine Schirrmacher, who holds a PhD in Islamic Studies from the University of Bonn, Germany. Some of the couple's publications, in German, English and Spanish, can be read here: www.contra-mundum.org/schirrmacher.html. Titus Vogt is the Dean of MBS International Programs and teaches, among other subjects, Hebrew, Greek, systematic theology, history of theology and ethics, in the various MBS study centers......'
So, dear Bob, Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil is according to their own webpage an extention of Martin Bucer Seminary whose President is Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher who claim to have a profession of the orthodox reformed faith.
All at Martin Bucer Seminary worldwide can know that Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher is officer in a by the Holy See recogized order, they can know he promotes worlwide Global Christian Forum with the Vatican (see PUBLIC book GCF 2015 Tirana presented by Schirrmacher at GCF 2018 Bogotha) and they can know Schirrmacher through the WEA is a coffee buddy of Pope Francis I (who all the Reformers called THE antichrist from Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation).
This Dr. Franklin Ferreira knows about Schirrmacher.
This Dr. Joel R. Beeke knows about Schirrmacher.
This Luke Nash, Anthony Mathenia and Paul Washer know about the link between Dr. Franklin Ferreira and Schirrmacher.
This the USA ministries know about the link between Fiel Ministries/ Martin Bucer Seminary and Schirrmacher.
And now you, dear Bob, come forward to whitewash their public spiritual link to Fiel Ministries/ Martin Bucer Seminary of Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher by condenmning Servus Christi of what they are PUBLICLY guilty of on a worldwide scale.
Yearlong slandering, defaming and bearing false witness about the saints of the Lord Jesus Christ who knew the True Everlasting Gospel and because of that knew that the antichrist is in Rome for 1260 years, for which witness their beloved brothers and sisters in Christ suffered heavily during 605 years of roman catholic inquisition instituted by at least 75 brothers of pope Francis I, coffee boddy of Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher of Martin Bucer Seminary. Taking their witness even out of their studybibles like Dr. John Macarthur, Dr. Joel Beeke and Dr. Sproul did.
Demonstrating a gracious and unloving manner in treating the witness of the saints who preached the Everlasting Gospel by which Babylon falls by denying their witness in their exposition of Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation, yeah, even closing these parts of Scripture completely for their flocks. Saying in public that eschatology is only tertiair in comparison to the Gospel, thereby making a distinction that the Scripture does not make as the distinction earthly versus heavenly in Revelation is decisive who gets saved and the falling of Babylon must be a fruit of the preaching of the Everlasting Gospel. Those who in this day and age defend this witness from true protestantism f
I have already addressed this ad infinitum above. And why didn't you finish your sentence?
Those who in this day and age defend this witness from true protestantism from the Reformation are considered cooks and spiritually excommunicated from seminaries and churchbodies.
At TMS the student admission offices told me that if you would persist in this witness regarding the papal antichrist, I would eventually be asked to leave TMS. Just one example of many.
Perhaps if you could have only shown them where in Scripture the pope is explicitly stated to be The Anti-Christ. You can't. So, because you were spouting unscriptural opinions as facts, they would naturally ask you to leave.
Showing in 2017 worldwide hypocrisy by going around the world presenting themselves as sons of the reformation while knowingly and willingly denying the witness of the True Body of Christ against Rome, namely the fruit of their preaching the True Everlasting Gospel by which Babylon falls.
Already addressed this ad infinitum.
By denying the witness of the Reformation on papal Rome as THE antichrist from Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation they (TMS, Ligonier, Heartcrymissionary, PRTS, P&P, SBTS, Justin Peters, Christ Rosebrough, Phil Johnson, Mike Abenroth....) also wrongly apply and ignore the Word of God. This while THEY ALL have the witness of ALL THE REFORMERS, ALL THE PROTESTANT COMMENTARIES ON SCRIPTURE FROM THE REFORMATION, ALL THE DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF THEIR SUFFERING IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION, readily available to them for years, they willfully and purposely close their eyes and thereby the eyes of their flocks.
Already addressed this ad infinitum.
I have sent you, dear Bob, THE PROOF how strong this witness from the Reformation is and the confirmation of that proof after that by the English Puritans, the Scottish Covenanters, Whicliff, Tyndale, John Bunyan, C.H. Spurgeon and the suffering of the Waldenses, the Albigenses, the Lollards and the Hugenots.
Already addressed this ad infinitum, and you have sent me no “proof” whatsoever that supports your claims. None. Nor have you addressed any of the issues I raised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY
http://www.iconbusters.com/iconbusters/htm/true_ch/witn/html/title-in.htm
Already addressed this.
You, Bob, now have all the proof (of which the link Heartcrymissionary Martin Bucer Seminary is only a part), you decide whether the person giving you this proof is an enemy or a friend of the True Militant Church of the Lord Jesus Christ in history and present.
No, I have your unsupported assertions and nothing more. The only proof you have provided is of your sin of hypocrisy. Repent. Rectify, be Reconciled to the Body.
You, Bob, may decide this for yourself before God's Sight in your private devotions.
I have, after much prayer and study of yours and Joshua's words as compared to Scripture.
Last remark:
I'll bet it's not. But if you persist in regurgitating your false witness, it will be as I will close off the comments!
What Servus Christi has brought forward is hypocrisy amongst those you consider THE CHURCH, deal with it, Bob.
No, actually he hasn't. He has slandered, defamed, mocked, spoken hateful of and been hypocritical, and is (as are you) in sin against God.
I remark here that the last few weeks those who have had their mouth full of how important the Gospel is, have not adressed Servus Christi on his views on the coredoctrines of the Gospel. This is very telling as it seems when confronted themselves with their sin and hypocrisy suddenly the Gospel is not central anymore, but how quickly we can take the person who attacks us down by ignoring, silencing, ad hominem attacks and simply using Scripture to paint him as black as can be (as we ourselves are). BUT SERVUS CHRISTI NOR JACOB PRASCH ARE NOT ADRESSED ON THEIR VIEWS ON THE CORE DOCTRINES OF THE TRUE GOSPEL (WHICH SPURGEON CALLED CALVINISM) BY THOSE WHO ALL OVER THE PLACE REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT HOW IMPORTANT THE GOSPEL IS. THIS ONLY INCREASED THEIR AND YOUR HYPOCRISY.
Nope. No hypocrites here on my side of the keyboard. However, since neither you, nor Joshua Chavez have ever once asked me about my views on the core doctrines of the faith; while at the same time declared me a false Christian, well, I guess you have now exposed yourself as the hypocrite here my friend.
Even if Joshua was a heathen, he could have shown you probably the same hypocrisy simply on principle. That you, Bob, do not even accept this public proof of all the hypocrisy of those you consider THE CHURCH, is a grave sign of your insincerity and hypocrisy and that of those you whitewash with these articles.
If and probably do make a very convincing argument. Calling me a hypocrite (without proof), calling me insincere (without proof), calling me a whitewasher (without proof), and don't even get me started on your implied threats against my family and me! Speaks volumes about you, now doesn't it?
And by the way, your claim that I “whitewash with these articles” those whom Joshua Chavez “exposes” is utter nonsense, and I believe that anyone with even a modicum of common sense can see that. I wrote my articles about Joshua Chavez, not about anyone else. He alone was the subject of my articles. And, as I documented in my articles, I actually did say the things I have stated he said. There is no disputing it. Nor is there any valid disputation of the fact that Joshua Chavez is in serious sin due to his actions. Attempting to spin this around and accuse these men all over again is nothing more than a feeble attempt to take the spotlight off of Mr. Chavez and protect him from having to accept responsibility for his actions.
PS. I know it should be causafinita, I let it be to show I stand with those who could not read or write but suffer for Christ uprightly and truly.
And yet, I have not seen you stand with those who could not read or write but suffer for Christ. Certainly not uprightly and certainly not truly. Unless, of course, you consider stalking and implied threats to be upright and true.
P.S.: I also find your pseudonym to be curious. I trust you realize the common usage of your “name” is found in the Latin phrase, “Roma locuta, causa finita” (Rome has spoken, the discussion is over). Considering your antipathy towards Rome (which is, of course, well founded), I simply found is curious that you would take one of their phrases, and adapt it for your “name.” I guess now we will see if you will live up to your name, “the discussion is over.”
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