Please note, due to the excessive length of the emails I have received from the subject of these (now) five articles, as well as from his German friend, I have decided to close off all comments to all five of the articles in this series. Should anyone still like to comment, you can do so using the contact page of this website by clicking here.

“He who claims to be a slave of Christ, is no such thing if he does not obey Christ.”

This will be the last of the articles on Servus Christi (Mr. Joshua Chavez) and his friend “causafinitum”/”waldens” (Mr. Dennis Grützmacher). After my last article, “Servus Christi – Updated,” I received a 47 page email from Mr. Grützmacher as a response to that article (and every other article as well). And yes, you read that correctly – 47 pages! And if you think that's excessive, to date I have received 299 pages of emails between the two of them! In his current 47 page long email to me he gave me his very best well-reasoned, logical, “Christian” biblical arguments against all that I had written, as well as in support of Mr. Chavez. The highlights of his email tome were that:
I only condemn that which I do not understand.
I don't know what I am talking about.
I lack “experimental knowledge.” (whatever that is)
I am scared.
I am an idolater.
I am ignorant.
I am presumptuous and biased.
I am a crybaby.
I need to grow-up.
I am a hypocrite.
I am a sinful hypocrite.
I am a sinful judgmental hypocrite.
I belong to a hypocritical church, and not the True Church of Christ.
I am worthless.
What I write belongs in the dustbin.
I should laugh at myself.
I should doubt myself.
I have a mental impairment.
I am not smart enough to make an informed comment.
I am a swine.
I am self-righteous.
I am holier-than-thou.
I am full of myself and pride of self.
I am not a Christian, because he does not recognize my salvation.
I am pretentious.
I am going to hell.
I am a papist.
I am a bigot.

Perhaps most telling was his response to my statement, “To be clear, while I agree with much of Reformation theology, it is God whom I love. The Triune God of Scripture.” To which he replied, “Sorry, Bob, your reply is truly ridiculous.”

Interspersed between these little “love notes” from Mr. Grützmacher to me, he repeatedly reiterated his and Mr. Chavez's standard “guilt by association two or more times removed” nonsense; which basically states that Mr. “A” is a heretic because he associates with Mr. “B,” who in turn associates with Mr. “C,” who in turn associates with a known heretic. And as we have come to expect, he does this all while ignoring the fact that both he and Mr. Chavez are guilty of the very same thing they are accusing others of. He states that my pointing this out to him is nothing more than a “red herring.” Their “do as I say, but not as I do” behavior is, of course, by definition hypocritical.

There were other nonsensical tidbits in his email, such as his statement, “Joshua must and can defend himself.” While forgetting (or ignoring) that both his first set of emails to me, as well as his most recent, are prefaced with the statement, “At the request of Servus Christi the information below.” If Joshua Chavez can defend himself, then why has he employed the services of Dennis Grützmacher to do this for him?

The majority of his most recent email, however, was with regard to their De Coniuratione Vaticanum Magna theory – the Great Vatican Conspiracy – which is a detailed account of over 650 years worth of “evidence” studied over a five-year period, which proves conclusively (at least to Mr. Grützmacher) that the Vatican is trying to take over the world in order to bring about the one world religion led by the pope as antichrist and the papacy as Babylon the great.

In his less than cogent presentation of just how this conspiracy is unfolding, Mr. Grützmacher has put forth the argument that John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul, the editors of the Reformation Heritage Books KJV Study Bible, the editors of the ESV Bible, Ligonier Ministries, the speakers at the European Bible Training Center Conference 2017, the speakers at the Shepherd's Conference 2017, the speakers at the Together For The Gospel Conference 2016, the speakers at the Ligonier Conference 2017, the speakers at The Gospel Coalition Conference of 2017, and the speakers at the G3 Conference of 2018 are all agents of the Vatican. Every single one of them is an undercover Romanist. Every single one of them without exception. How does he know this? He presents two pieces of evidence which he claims unequivocally support his assertion. They are:

Grützmacher's Supporting Evidence #1: Not one of these people have, in any Study Bible they have written, stated that the papacy is the Babylon of Revelation 14:6-12, and that the pope is the antichrist of Daniel and 2 Thessalonians 2:8; nor did a single person speaking at the conferences mentioned state that the pope is the antichrist of Daniel and 2 Thessalonians 2:8, and that the papacy is the Babylon of Revelation 14:6-12.

Grützmacher's Supporting Evidence #2: He goes on to state that these people cannot be true biblical Christians (and therefore must be Romanists – undercover papists sent to infiltrate the True Church) because they do not meet the standard of biblical Christianity. And what is that standard? According to Mr. Grützmacher, it is the book, “A brief and impartial account of the nature of the Protestant religion” by John Owen.

Mr. Grützmacher does not look to God's Word as the standard of a biblical Christian, or biblical Christianity, but rather a book by John Owen.
Now, don't misunderstand me. As far as I am concerned, John Owen was a great man of God; solid in his faith, and I look forward to meeting him in heaven. But he is not God. His writings were not inspired of God, nor are they infallible or inerrant. Only God's Word meets that specific criteria. I am glad Dr. Owen is not alive to see them misuse his name and writings in this way. If such a thing were possible, he would be turning over rapidly and repeatedly in his grave.

I find it both interesting and telling that when I asked Mr. Grützmacher to show me in Scripture where God states the pope (specifically) is the antichrist and the papacy (specifically) is Babylon; he pointed to John Owen instead. I point to God, he points to John Owen. Now what does that tell you?

In fact, Mr. Grützmacher applies this unbiblical standard to everyone across the board. Unless you, dear Christian, do not openly proclaim that the pope is the antichrist of Daniel and 2 Thessalonians 2:8, and that the papacy is the Babylon of Revelation 14:6-12, then you are not a true Christian, and you are actually a papist. Mr. Grützmacher wrote in his email to me that history proves this because ALL the Reformers, and ALL the Puritans throughout history believed it to be so; and, he says, the persecution of Christians by the Roman church, “proves the historic fulfilment of the book of Revelation in the history of the papacy, it shows the martyrs of the Lord Jesus Christ.”

I have tried to be patient with these men, although my patience has worn pretty thin at times (as I am sure is glaringly evident in my responses to them). I have tried to treat them as brothers in the Lord. For that I received nothing but rejection, ridicule, mockery, slander, defamation and other ad hominem retorts from them. I'm done with them.

I extended to Mr. Chavez the courtesy of one-on-one private communications in order to try and convince him to repent of his sin. Mr. Grützmacher did not see fit to extend the same courtesy to me, choosing instead to bring his nonsense against me to a public forum (this blog) in the form of replies to the specific articles and their content. Yes, he emailed me as well, but nothing that he hadn't already posted here on The Reason Blog. They both continue in their sin, compounding it daily. It is as if their sin is their life. I do not see any fruit of repentance in any of their communications to me, either privately or publicly on this blog. I do not see any loving kindness, no compassion, no love of any kind; not toward me, and not toward anyone in the Body of Christ; and certainly not toward God Himself.

What they call me, how they treat me, etc., means less than nothing to me. As a retired Correctional Sergeant, I spent more than half of my adult life dealing with criminals of the worst sort. I have had the worst of the worst throw the worst they could muster at me, and it never made a dent. These two guys, Mr. Joshua Chavez and Mr. Dennis Grützmacher are no different than the criminals I dealt with for all those years. They are simply criminals of a different stripe. They are spiritual criminals. Spiritual thugs. Spiritual bullies. However, while their tired old canards do not bother me personally (after all, it is our Lord who said, “The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you” – John 15:20), when they direct them at the Body of Christ, and by extension Christ Himself, then I tend to get a little miffed.

Both Mr. Chavez and Mr. Grützmacher have told me that by pointing out their sin to them, I am the one in sin and in need of repentance. In spite of their condemnation, I see no need to repent of a sin that is only perceived to be such when viewed by someone whose sole intent is to find fault within the Church. Sin is rebelliousness against God, not rebelliousness against those who view, through their practice, Pharisaical leaven to be a virtuous and valued commodity.

There are those within the Body of Christ that serve sort of like police officers. Their job is, like any police officer, to serve and protect. Those in the Body who serve our Lord in this manner are serving and protecting the Body from those forces outside the Body that are seeking to damage and destroy the Body. We commonly think of these people and ministries as Discernment Ministries. When they discover false teachings and false teachers within the Church, they sound the alarm much like the watchmen on the tower (Isaiah 62:6; Proverbs 8:34), thus protecting the Body. They also serve the Body by educating the Body on how to recognize false teachings and false teachers intent on damaging and destroying the Body.

There are also those, however, more often outside the Body than in, who think of themselves as monitors. They “monitor” the Body ready to pounce upon anyone who falls within their personal, rather than biblical, definition of apostate or heretic or false teacher. They are not monitors, they are, in fact, what are commonly known as “fault finders,” and “heresy hunters.” During the 17th century they were known as “witch burners.” They are rogue “Christians” who act not unlike vigilantes; usually serving up their own brand of vigilante justice based upon their own presuppositional biases, personal opinions, and eisegeted Scripture. Both Mr. Chavez and Mr. Grützmacher fall clearly within this category.

Something I have learned since becoming a Christian, is we are not to lower ourselves to the level of these sorts of vigilantes. To do so would place us in the same sin as they are in. Nor are we to adopt their manner. In fact, a thought has occurred to me that, at least with regard to Mr. Grützmacher, there is a distinct possibility that a degree of mental impairment is at work here. He obsessiveness with regard to the Vatican conspiracy noted above; his lengthy, highly detailed, but at the same time illogical arguments endlessly repeated to anyone whose email address he can find; his quixotic behaviour all seem to point to this conclusion.

That Mr. Chavez seems to use Mr. Grützmacher to distract his critics with Grützmacher's endless illogical nonsense seems to demonstrate he is taking advantage of a willing and naïve follower. This suggests to me that Mr. Grützmacher is feeding off of Mr. Chavez's conspiracy theories. Or, perhaps they are both feeding off one another and they are both in need of psychiatric help. If true, it would explain a lot. Either way, however, we ought not to scorn or ridicule them; or hold them in contempt; not repaying their evil with more evil (1 Thessalonians 5:15). But rather, we should pity them. Pity them, have nothing to do with them, and keep them in our prayers.

Rather than employing Mr. Grützmacher's methodology and compare the words and attitudes of Mr. Chavez and Mr. Grützmacher to the works of John Owen; I believe it would be more profitable, and more biblical, to compare these two men, their words, and their behaviour to Scripture. Therefore, keeping in mind the things these two men have publicly stated (the open derision, mockery, slander, defamation, general name calling, and false witness borne against the Body of Christ), compare that to the Word of God:

[see also: Rom 12:10; 1 Pet 4:8-9; Eph 5:2; Rom 14:19; 1 Cor 14:1; 1 Tim 6:11; Heb 12:14; Eph 4:32; 1 Pet 1:22; 1 Cor 16:14; 1 Thess 4:9; Eph 4:2; 1 Jn 3:14; Rom 13:8-10; 1 Jn 3:11,23; Col 3:14; 1 Thess 3:12; Phil 2:2-3; 1 Jn 3:15-16; 1 Thess 5:11; 1 Jn 2:10; Gal 5:14,22-23]
And let's not forget what our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Himself, said:

That's it. The End. I've said what I have to say with regard to Mr. Joshua Chavez and Mr. Dennis Grützmacher. As far as I am concerned, they will remain in my prayers, both for repentance and salvation. Other than that, I am turning them over to Satan (1 Corinthians 5:5). As I said above, I am done with them. Do you hear that sound? That is the sound of dust being shook off my feet (Matthew 10:14).

A brief introductory note: You will note that two colors are used in this update, both blue (normal) and black (Bold). Since the comments emailed (anonymously) to me and posted as comments are quite long, I am posting them in total, and in black (Bold). My responses to these comments will be presented in blue (normal), and thus help me to avoid taking up valuable space unnecessarily, and hopefully help you my Dear Reader, to differentiate between his comments and my responses. So now...


Let the Semantics Games Begin!

As well as the ad hominems, false humility, self-righteousness, implied threats, and more hypocritical guilt by association twice or more removed. In other words, more of the same.

After spending several days in the hospital, I came home to find a rather long (and I mean LONG) email response to my three part article on Regarding Servus Christi, written by “causafinitum causafinitum” and a response on my weblog posted by “waldens” (gotta love those anonymous names. Always makes you wonder what they are hiding. More on that later in this update.)

He (I believe they are the same person) has presented several “smoking gun” documents and websites that ostensibly support Mr. Chavez's contentions, and I intend to read them all, and respond to them. Enjoy.

In Mr. “causafinitum causafinitum” / “waldens” extensive response to my three articles, The vast majority of his comments concern the “partnerships” between Thomas Schirrmacher and thus the Roman Catholic church; and: Paul Washer/HeartCry Missionary Society & others at HeartCry, John MacArthur/The Master's Seminary & those affiliated with John MacArthur /Grace To You / The Master's Seminary, and numerous others individuals.

There are four huge problems with his arguments and voluminous “smoking gun” websites, public forums, etc., “evidence.” The first, is that he ignores completely the statement made by HeartCry that denies they were aware of any connection between Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil and Thomas Schirrmacher; including the glaring issue of HeartCry having any connection with Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil came before they were made aware of that connection, and that they had ceased any affiliation with the Brazilian seminary long before they were made aware of that connection.

The second, Mr. “causafinitum causafinitum” / “waldens” has failed to show that Martin Bucer Seminary (both in Brazil and Germany) actually teaches any of Schirrmacher's ecumenism.

Third, he has failed to show any direct connections between John MacArthur and Thomas Schirrmacher, nor direct connections between Paul Washer and Thomas Schirrmacher, etc. Show us the photos of these men with Thomas Schirrmacher. Show us where these people have ever met Thomas Schirrmacher. He cannot. Instead he relies on guilt by indirect association; which, brings up the last problem with his arguments;

Fourth, Mr. “causafinitum causafinitum” / “waldens” has failed to address my charge against Mr. Chavez who is also guilty of these indirect associations (as well as direct associations) with known false teachers. This is a case of “do as I say, but not as I do,” which is hypocrisy, which is exactly what Mr. Chavez does, and is fully documented in my articles.

The Emails (please note the are verbatim what he posted as replies to the three blog articles):

causafinitum causafinitum <causafinitum@XXXXXXX.com>

Aug 15 (1 day ago)

to me, eternalsouljah (note, eternalsouljah is Joshua Chavez).

Hello Bob,

At the request of Servus Christi the information below.

I have added to the information Servus Christi asked me to send you, the following in the enclosures.



1. Letter Hamburg April 2017 Evangeliium21/T4G
Let me ask you this, were the Reformers infallible? (and let me answer:) No, they were not. While they were right about an awful lot of things, they were not right about everything. Nor are their writings considered Inspired Holy Scripture binding on everyone, including everyone who holds to Reformed theology. Therefore, requiring John MacArthur, et al, to be bound by John Owens statements about exposing the Roman Catholic church is simply unbiblical. It demonstrates a glaring lack of the facts as MacArthur and others have spoken out against the Roman Catholic church – publicly, on many, many occassions.


2. Proof witness True Body of Christ against Rome because of the preaching of Sola Scriptura.
Note number 1 above. And please note that you do not hold to Sola Scriptura in your bearing of false witness, as you appeal repeatedly to extra-biblical sources.


3. Proof links between Martin Bucer Seminary/ Heartcrymissionary/ PRTS/ Global Christian Forum
Not one of the photos or links shows Paul Washer, nor John MacArthur, nor anyone directly affiliated with HeartCry, or PRTS, standing next to each other, nor appearing on stage together with Thomas Schirrmacher. This issues are addressed above


4. Spurgeon on local churchgatherings Matthew 18v20
Please explain where Spurgeon is condemning guilt by association 2 or more times removed.


– Regarding the unsourced and unsigned splashed together document you sent me containing links to many Puritan writers referring to the pope as The Anti-Christ. What this proves is that many Puritan writers believed the pope is The Anti-Christ. This, in and of itself does not prove that the pope is the Anti-Christ. You would have to show where in God's Word the pope is explicitly and clearly shown to be The Anti-Christ. I think it is safe to say the various popes are an antichrist, but you cannot give definitive proof that the popes are THE ANTICHRIST.



All 4 enclosures after April 2017 communicated several times to Paul Washer ChristchurchRadford, Dr. John Macarthur OfficeofthePresident TMS,
Jordan Hall & Jeff Maples Pulpit and Pen, Phil Johnson TheGraceLifePulpit, T4G, Nocompromiseradio Mike Abenroth, Justin Peters, Chris Rosebrough F4F
and Thomas Sullivan Puritan Audiobooks.


Matthew 7:1-5  Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Revelation 18v4, 2John9-11
Dennis
And he continues with another email:

From:
Sent: August 14, 2018 16:39
To: eternalsouljah04@aol.com
Subject: reply to Bob final version fyi.
https://reasonfiles.weebly.com/blog/regarding-servus-christi-part-one#comments


waldens link
8/14/2018 07:22:10 am


Hello Bob,

On the website www.bucer.de I came across the publication 'Querschnitte.' This publication is publiclty available on their website and I know is sent to those who want to receive it.

Here you have some examples of the last 2 years.

https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-222018-ausgabe-539.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-212018-ausgabe-538.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-562017-ausgabe-517.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-252017-ausgabe-486.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-142017-ausgabe-475.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-662016-ausgabe-461.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-642016-ausgabe-459.html
https://www.bucer.de/ressource/details/bonner-querschnitte-602016-ausgabe-455.html

These are just some examples of what the President Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher in this publicly available website of Martin Bucer Seminary has shown in 2016-2018 to his leadership (https://www.bucer.de/mitarbeiter/leitung.html) and seminaries around the world including Brazil
(https://www.bucer.de/en/das-seminar/studienzentren.html).


Now in 2018 the President of Martin Bucer Seminary is promoting worldwide this book on the Global Christian Forum with the Vatican.
Everyone who investigates can see that also Dr. Titus Vogt and Dr. Johnson are participating in Global Christian Forum through IIRF who is doing worldwide projects for Global Christian Forum.

https://www.amazon.com/Discrimination-Persecution-Martyrdom-Following-Together/dp/1532653654/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534254170&sr=8-1&keywords=persecution+discrimination+global+christian+forum

In the video of Servus Christi you can see in 2018 the Director of Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil together with the President of Martin Bucer Seminary worldwide.

When you go and look at the Heartcrymissionary website you can find a video under France in which Paul Washer speaks very highly of. Dr. Franklin Ferreira.

Here you also can see Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher being part of a roman catholic order.
http://www.michaelarchangel.org/officers.html

As you, Bob, for yourself can investigate out of the video of Servus Christi on the link between Heartcrymissionary and Martin Bucer Seminary, you can know that all major USA ministries of Dr. John Macarthur, Dr. Al Mohler, Dr. Mark Dever, Dr. Joel R. Beeke, Paul Washer ... are in partnership with Fiel Ministries that is very closely connected to Martin Bucer Seminary of Dr. Franklin Ferreira whose President is Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher.

In 2018 Dr. Al Mohler and Tim Challies will present themselves at the national PASTORS conference of Fiel Ministries (whose chief editor is Pastoral director of Martin Bucer Seminary).

You can also investigate for yourself that since 2018 Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil has a master in historic theology together with PRTS of Dr. Joel R. Beeke (teacher of M.Div at TMS). Yes, the Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil who provides the Portuguese speaking world with conferences and material under the academic leadership of Martin Bucer Seminary of whom 3 actively work in the Global Christian Forum to outwardly unite with the Vatican with at its head pope Francis I (who ALL THE REFORMERS called THE antichrist of Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation).

All public material already extensively presented to JD Hall, Seth Dunn, Justin Peters, Phil Johnson, Chris Rosebrough, Dr. John Macarthur, T4G, Mike Abenroth and Paul Washer.



As I have noted in my articles, Mr. Whateveryournameactuallyis, I have investigated. And, as I also noted, you have proved that Thomas Schirrmacher is a false teacher aligning himself directly with other false teachers. You really did not have to expend all that time and energy saying what I have already said. It would have been a better use of your time to present evidence of direct association with these men and with Thomas Schirrmacher, rather than pointing out what a nefarious person he is, and how these men are at best indirectly connected to him. Again, this is what Mr. Chavez himself does with his “do as I say, but not as I do” methodology, thus exposing his own hypocrisy.

As you said, Bob,.....

Matthew 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.



Only this time those you defend as true church are compared with the Reformation and the English Puritans on what true protestantism is.
And then all that which you lay before Servus Christi comes against those you call true church in these 3 articles, namely that those you whitewash in 2017 (during 500 years of the Reformation worldwide) have WILLFULLY and PUBLICLY denied all the fundamental principles against Rome as stated in this work of Dr. John Owen on the nature of protestantism.
This is either a woefully inadequate attempt to divert unwanted attention away from Mr. Joshua Chavez; or, you are trying to say that as long as others whom Mr. Chavez wrongly accuses are exposed by others, he is free to continue his sinful attacks on the Body of Christ.

https://books.google.nl/books?id=5fJbAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=nature+of+protestantism+john+owen&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji7LX92ezcAhUJ3KQKHQddAlEQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=nature%20of%20protestantism%20john%20owen&f=false

This witness against Rome is missing in the more than a million Macarthur studybibles.
This witness against Rome is missing in the sold Reforma
And he continues with even more:
waldens link
8/14/2018 07:28:05 am
Only this time those you defend as true church are compared with the Reformation and the English Puritans on what true protestantism is.
And then all that which you lay before Servus Christi comes against those you call true church in these 3 articles, namely that those you whitewash in 2017 (during 500 years of the Reformation worldwide) have WILLFULLY and PUBLICLY denied all the fundamental principles against Rome as stated in this work of Dr. John Owen on the nature of protestantism.
And again, the articles I wrote are focused on the sins Mr. Chavez (and can we dispense with the anonymous pseudonyms, please? He signs his name as Joshua Chavez on his website. “Servus Christi” is a pen name and nothing more. We all know who he is, he isn't fooling anyone!). That I did not write an article on all these other men is not an indication of my whitewashing anything they may or may not have done. Furthermore, neither you nor Joshua Chavez have presented any evidence (other than associations two or more times removed) that a single one of them has “WILLFULLY and PUBLICLY denied all the fundamental principles against Rome as stated in this work of Dr. John Owen on the nature of Protestantism; and again, neither you nor Joshua Chavez has demonstrated that the writings of John Owen and other Protestants are inspired by God and binding on these men, or on any in the Church.

https://books.google.nl/books?id=5fJbAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=nature+of+protestantism+john+owen&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwji7LX92ezcAhUJ3KQKHQddAlEQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=nature%20of%20protestantism%20john%20owen&f=false



This witness against Rome is missing in the more than a million Macarthur studybibles.
This witness against Rome is missing in the sold Reformation Study Bibles of Ligonier.
This witness against Rome is missing the sold RHB KJV Studybibles.
This witness against Rome is missing in the ESV.
This witness against is missing in T4G2016 promovideo 'we are protestants', missing at Shepcon 2017, Ligonier 2017, TGC 2017, G3Conference 2018, EBTC Germany 2017.
Good for you! You discovered that your personal standards are not used by anyone other than you. Unless you consider your standards to be inspired by God and infallible and if the compilers of these resources don't follow your standards, then they are obviously pro=Roman Catholic (of course this also means you failed to note the numerous times they actually did speak against the Roman Catholic church).

In August 2017 (500 year of the Reformation worldwide) a new academic commentary on Revelation was publshed by TGC Council member Dr. Richard Philips.
Please demonstrate that Dr. Richard Phillips is teaching Thomas Schirrmachers ecumenism. I'll wait.

https://www.amazon.com/Revelation-Reformed-Expository-Commentary-Commentaries/dp/1629952397/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534255408&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=richard+d+philpis+revelation

In this book recommendations can be read by Dr. J.I. Packer, Dr. Joel R. Beeke, Dr. Steven Lawson, Dr. Mark Dever, Dr Al Mohler.
Again in this book the witness against Rome is completely missing.
And again, please demonstrate that Packer, Beeke, Lawson, Dever, and Mohler are teaching Thomas Schirrmacher's ecumenism. Show where they are directly partnered (sans the guilt by association two or more times removed Joshua Chavez is noted for. And, while you're at it, please demonstrate that your standard (or John Owens standard for that matter) is inspired by God and infallible, and binding on all these men must present witness against Rome in this book (while it is not okay for them to speak out against Rome through any other venue).

As you know, Bob, in 2Thess2v8 the Lord Jesus Christ says that when He comes the Wicked shall be destroyed by the Breath of His Mouth and the Brightness of His Coming.
As you know, Bob, in Revelation 14v6-12 it says that after the preaching of the Everlasting Gospel immediately Babylon falls and those who have the mark of the Beast are strongly warned.
And again, please show where in Scripture, God explicitly states the pope is The Anti-Christ, and the papacy is Babylon.

Those whom you defend as true church (men like Dr. John Macarthur, Phil Johnson, JD Hall, Paul Washer, Chris Rosebrough etc..) DO NOT HAVE in their ministries the same witness as the Reformation against Rome, this because they dont call the pope THE antichrist of Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation, nor the papacy Babylon.
And again, please show where in Scripture, God explicitly states the pope is The Anti-Christ of Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation, and the papacy is Babylon. And, while you're at it, try searching their sermons and their books and see for yourself where they actually have condemned the Roman Church, not as The Anti-Christ as you require, but exposing it as false works of darkness as Scripture teaches.

You can know, Bob, that from the Reformers, to the English Puritans, to the Scottish Covenanters, to John Bunyan of Pilgrim's Progress, to Jonathan Edwards, to the Westminster Assembly, to Baptist 1677/1689, to C.H. Spurgeon, THEY ALL identified in their exposition from Scripture (especially Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelatin) that the pope is THE antichrist and th papacy Babylon as a fruit of their preaching the True Everlasting Gospel.
And again, please show me that the writings of the Reformers, the Puritans, the Scottish Covenanteers, etc., are inspired from God, and infallible, and binding on everyone in the Church. And again, I'll wait.

Those you call true church have the presumption they preach the True Everlasting Gospel, but Babylon IS NOT FALLING, No, they themselves present themselves in public (like Ligonier and T4G in Germany in 2017) together with leadership of Martin Bucer Seminary whose president promotes this worldwide spirituality that unites back again to Rome.
You wrote several paragraphs reiterating your earlier arguments that the pope is The Anti-Christ, and that many Puritans held the belief that he is The Anti-Christ, and that the papacy is Babylon; and again, you completely failed to provide any evidence that the Bible expressly and clearly teaches the Roman pope is THE Anti-Christ; just as again, you have completely failed to provide any evidence that what the Puritans wrote is inspired by God and infallible. You keep making these claims, and you keep failing to provide the evidence to support them!

https://www.amazon.com/Discrimination-Persecution-Martyrdom-Following-Together/dp/1532653654/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534255869&sr=8-1&keywords=persecution+discrimination+global+christian+forum

[and now for some ad hominems from him]
I am impressed, Bob, that you have so much courage do spiritually with Scripture destory one individual like Servus Christi who (with all his failings) at least tries to stand up for what is right, while you say nothing about the worldwide developments your 'true church' is either silent about or ignoring because it does not bring them profit.
Did you even read what I wrote? Or did you simply take Joshua Chavez's word on it? For if you had actually read it you would have read where I stated that I am not out to destroy Joshua Chavez. That I consider him a brother in the Lord, and as such I have a sincere love for him. But that love does not excuse his sin, nor does it excuse his need for repentance, his need to rectify, and his need to apologize for the sins he has committed against the Body of Christ.
To falsely accuse me of trying to destroy him is known as an ad hominem argument, attacking me personally rather than the context of what I actually wrote. And, I would point out, that what you are calling standing up for what is right, is a direct attack on, and bearing false witness on, the Church, the Body of Christ. That he publicly called all those brothers in Christ, all those horrendous names is slander, defamation of character … sin! You cannot deny that, nor try and explain it away as nothing more than harsh language. It is expressly forbidden in Scripture, and therefore it is sin, plain and simple!
And yet you do not address any of that, which was the main thrust of my articles. Joshua Chavez repeatedly refers to these brothers as false teachers and deceivers, and yet not only do you completely ignore that, neither of you have produced a single piece of false or deceitful teaching from any of the brothers he has slandered and defamed.

After your 3 pieces I think, Bob, you should go back to the cows in the rural country where your come from, for you act like a coward who dares to spiritually destroy the nothings with Scripture, but says nothing, absolutely nothing, about the hypocrisy and double standard that has been brough forward.
I should “go back to the cows in the rural country where your come from”? Aside from the obvious self-righteous (and poorly constructed sentence) slam, I have to ask, are you stalking me? You obviously know where I live. Since I have not revealed it to you, you must have been stalking me. And since you no doubt got that from stalking my Facebook page, you should have noticed what I did for a living for almost 25 years. I was in law enforcement. Part of my job for a huge portion of that career I was involved in investigations. You really should have noted that. So before you start with the implied threats (I know where you live, bwahahahaha!), be fully aware that I have dealt with criminals for many, many years, and I am fully capable of dealing with them now.
your comment that I am a coward is not only an ad hominem argument in and of itself, as well as a lie, but coming from someone who sends me implied threats through my email, well, it kind of seems you are projecting yourself onto me.

Dr. John Macarthur together with Phil Johnson first let TGC organise a conference in their own church after MLK50, then it appears TGC is Social Gospel Coalition, then it appears that almost all Shepcon friends of Dr. John Macarthur are part of the Social Gospel Coalition, now it even appears that leading figures at Revoice were proteges of Dr. Al Mohler and Dr. Tim Keller, ......
and now suddenly Dr John Macarthur is starting to write against the social gospel ???????
Aside from the obvious guilt by association two or more times removed (the stock in trade for Joshua Chavez, and now you, as well as for hypocritical legalistic Pharisaical types; John MacArthur has spoken against the social gospel for decades. Do you even know what the social gospel is? Have you ever listened to MacArthur's sermons, or read his books or blog articles? Have you actually done this research for yourself?


[and now he wants to take this to a personal level!]

Again, Bob, with 6 kids, more grandkids and almost more great grandchildren, having lived a nice life for 30 years,
Again with the Facebook stalking. Seriously? Or were you that strange looking creep I saw walking around town a while back? Either way, please re-read my above comments regarding my experience in dealing with criminals, and be advised I take a particularly dim view of those who threaten my family, whether that threat is explicit or implied. A Particularly Dim View. I cannot express that strongly enough. If you've got a beef with me, fine. That bothers me as much as a solitary gnat on a hot summer day. Bring my family into it, and you are taking things to a whole different level. All these implied threats that you are making, can you please show me in Scripture where Jesus threatened people with “I know where you live...” or where He threatened their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren? While I am not a betting man, I'll wager you cannot. Because that sort of cowardly nonsense never came from Jesus, but rather it is the devil himself who those kinds of things. Now, get off that ice you're treading on because it is mighty thin.
I can understand that your greatness cannot be darkened by such a nobody like Josh, who is Josh to dare to challenge such great ones in the church like Dr. John Macarthur and Paul Washer who are so accomplished and respected ? who will walk straight into heaven to teach the 24 elders how to biblically worship......
And then on top of ad hominem arguments, lies, and threats against my family and me, you now turn to smug sarcasm, mocking belittlement. You keep this up and you're gonna have some explaining to do old son. Not to me, but to God. It's called the Great White Throne Judgment. I'm sure you've heard about it. But I will extend to you the same benefit of the doubt that I have extended Joshua Chavez, and assume (against my better judgment) that you are a Christian. And I will ask you to repent, rectify, and apologize. Not just to me and my family, but to the brothers in Christ you too have slandered.

Worlwide the Vatican is coming together with most of the local churches in the world
Nope, no it is not, nor do you have any documentation to prove such conspiratorial paranoiac nonsense.

And he continues in yet another email:
waldens link
8/14/2018 07:36:27 am


Worlwide the Vatican is coming together with most of the local churches in the world, Dr. John Macarthur and Paul Washer operate worldwide the last 15 years, let them speak out publicly or forever take their abode with their Master in Rome who also denies the papal antichrist, who is also rich under an outward look of godliness and who also does not like the exposition on Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation the Reformers, the English Puritans, the Scottish Covenanters ....., C.H. Spurgeon gave namely that the church of Rome is THE church of THE antichrist.
I have already answered this nonsense, and more than once. And, by the way, I trust you realize you are starting to sound like a conspiracy cult.

I hope for you, Bob, your nice life now is not disturbed by such a nobody like me.
I have never said you are a nobody. Nor have I ever said Joshua Chavez is a nobody (so please, stop with the false humility already there is too much sarcasm in it to be real). You're both obviously somebody. From what I have seen (again, giving you both the benefit of the doubt) you are both sinning greatly against God the Father, God the Son, Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit, as well as against the Body of Christ. So my message to you is the same as it is to Joshua Chavez in that respect: Repent. Rectify. Reconcile with the God and the Body.

Matthew 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Take your own advice. You need to heed this, not I.


PS. Go and buy this book in which Dr. J.I. Packer presents himself with Roman Catholic Cardinal Dolan on 20 years Evangelicals and Catholics together. In this book Dr. J.I. Packer considers ECT as a prophetic movement the last 20 years.
You can find Dr. J. I. Packer recommending almost all books by Dr. Joel. R. Beeke, you can see him in a new film on the Puritans by PRTS of Dr. Joel R. Beeke, you can see him in the Reformation Study Bible of Ligonier as one of the trusted theologians of Dr. Sproul.
You seem to think that J.I. Packer's signing of ECT somehow means he accepted the entire concept of Evangelicals and Catholics as being one in unity, when nothing could be further from the truth. Was he wrong to sign it? Absolutely. Does it mean he aligned himself with the Roman church? No, it does not. Does it somehow mean any book he ever endorsed by any author now mean that those authors are now aligned with the Roman church. No, and there you go with the guilt by association twice or more removed; something you and Joshua are guilty of, thus making yourselves guilty of the “do as I say, not as I do” kind of hypocrisy.

https://www.amazon.com/Evangelicals-Catholics-Together-Twenty-Statements-ebook/dp/B012H10NJC/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1534257294&sr=1-1&keywords=evangelicals+and+catholics+together

Again, Bob, sorry if I have disturbed your prosperous life now in which your new found christianity only is a greater blessing to your already great life now. Compared to you I truly am nothing.
Your sarcasm and mockery is now so much expected, I think I might have been disappointed if you had not closed with more of the same. Now, go repent, rectify, and reconcile as you know you should. Oh, wait! You haven't closed! You wrote several more pages! Well, back into the fray!
Hello Bob,

For your information.

In this recent newsletter of Dr. Joel R. Beeke you can see him together with Dr. Steven Lawson after teaching and preaching at GTY/TMS.

http://www.joelbeeke.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/pastoral-letter-160-final-lo-res.pdf
Okay, so two guys who are both connected to GTY and TMS are together. And?????????

In this newsletter Dr. Joel R. Beeke writes about Dr. Tiago Santos (Chief Editor of Fiel Ministries, Pastoral Director of Martin Bucer Seminary (President Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher))
'Tiago Santos, a dear Brazilian friend who works for FIEL and for the Martin Bucer Seminary in Brazil, was a great help to
us in our days of need. His English was impeccable, which was a great help'

Here you can see that Dr. Joel R Beeke of PRTS and Dr. Franklin Ferreire of Martin Bucer Seminary (President Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher) have in 2018 a master historic theology together.

https://prts.edu/press-release-puritan-reformed-theological-seminary-martin-bucer-seminary-brasil-establish-collaborative-masters-doctoral-program/
http://martinbucer.com/thm/

Both Dr. Franklin Ferreira and Dr. Joel R Beeke know that Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher is the President of Martin Bucer Seminary.

Here you can see Dr. Joel R Beeke working together with Prof. Dr. Selderhuis of Refo500.

https://www.studiesinpuritanism.org/editors

Here you can read about Refo500.

https://www.pccmonroe.org/the-transcript-of-a-heart-of-the-matter-documentary-on-refo500-a-popish-octopus-with-a-very-long-reach.html

Dr. Joel R Beeke with PRTS is making a new film on the Puritans with Dr. J.I. Packer.

https://www.puritandocumentary.com/

Here you can read for yourself how prophetic Dr. J.I. Packer sees the movement Evangelicals and Catholics Together the last 20 years.

https://www.amazon.com/Evangelicals-Catholics-Together-Twenty-Statements-ebook/dp/B012H10NJC/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1534264279&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=evangelicals+catholics+together+20+years


And I am still waiting for you to show me definitive proof that Beeke, Lawson, Santos, Ferreira, Selderhuis, Packer, and the entire faculty of all Martin Bucer Seminaries are teaching Schirrmacher's ecumenism. Still waiting.


So, dear Bob, Dr. John Macarthur and Dr. Steven Lawson in 2018 have Dr. Joel R Beeke teaching their TMS M.Div students. This after 2017 where they have gone around the world celebrating the protestant reformation of the protestants described in this book of Dr. John Owen.

https://books.google.nl/books?id=5fJbAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=john+owen+nature+of+protestantism&hl=nl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjHq5ii_OzcAhWRbVAKHRDaDiQQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=john%20owen%20nature%20of%20protestantism&f=false

And yet, Dear Whateveryournameactuallyis more of your and Joshua's hypocritical “do as I say, but not as I do” guilt by association twice or more removed. You really need to repent and get a new schtick.


As already indicated in another post Dr. Steven Lawson, THE worldwide expert on expositional preaching, has recommened in 2017 a commentary on Revelation that completely lacks the witness of protestants against Rome as described in the book by Dr. John Owen on the nature of protestantism.
This although Dr. Steven Lawson has gone around the world talking about the lives of Tyndale, Luther, Calvin, Knox, Whitefield. Who all strangely enough, you guessed it, Bob, had as fruit of their preaching the True Gospel the calling the pope in Rome THE antichrist and the papacy Babylon.


Just because you feel the need to keep repeating yourself doesn't mean I feel the same need. Well, except in this instance. I will take you concern here seriously, when you can demonstrate to me that you standard is inspired by God and infallible, as well as the writings of the Reformers and Puritans, and that all Christians everywhere are bound by it. Only then.

You also know from another post that Dr. J.I. Packer is presented by Dr. R.C. Sproul as one of his trusted theologians in the Reformation Study Bible of Ligonier.


Please provide evidence of Dr. Packer's theology that is not Reformed.

So, dear Bob, you have Dr. John Macarthur and Dr. Steven Lawson having Dr. Joel R Beeke teaching the TMS M.Div students, knowing that Dr. Joel R. Beeke IN PUBLIC works on the Puritans together with the seminary of Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher and the theological university of Prof. Dr. Selderhuis of Refo500 and makes a move with Dr. J.I. Packer who is known for Evangelicals and Catholics Together 20 years with roman catholic cardinal Dolan.


So dear whateveryournameactuallyis, you have YOU, partnering with Joshua Chavez, you partners with Beresford Job, who actually recommends Paul Washer, John MacArthur, and John Piper who are condemned by Joshua and you; and you partner with Joshua Chavez, who partners with Jacob Prasch who partners with Chuck Smith who partnered with a drug addicted homosexual and with Rick Warren who partners with the pope directly; and Prasch also partners with Chuck Missler who partnered with NAR Prophet Kim Clement, who, in addition to repeatedly speaking false prophecies, also partnered with Benny Hinn, Bill Johnson, and almost everyone in the NAR, and thinks Pope Francis is God's Chosen.

You, dear Bob, may for yourself decide before God's Side how much one can deny of your person and your faith before starting to deny you as a person and deny your faith.


Therefore, you, dear whateveryournameactuallyis, must decide for yourself how much one can deny of your person and your faith, before God starts to deny you as one of His. To quote your good buddy Joshua Chavez, your associations equal your approval, and you are approving of a whole lot of heresy my friend. Repent.

Those who claim to love the Reformation and claim to love the English Puritans but purposely are keeping half their witness away from their studybibles and exposition of Scripture, are they not showing, dear Bob, that they are lying and slandering the saints ? For when someone in this day and age comes to them with the pope is the antichrist and the papacy is Babylon from Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation........


To be clear, while I agree with much of Reformation theology, it is God whom I love. The Triune God of Scripture. There is a great deal of truth in Reformation Theology and the writings of the Puritans. But they were not inspired, infallible, and inerrant. Scripture is. Well, unless you are Jacob Prasch who thinks God's word is insufficient, but I digress. MacArthur, Sproul, et al, are not keeping their Christian witness away from their study Bibles and sermons. For you to make such a ridiculous statement demonstrates you are ignorant of their works.

do you not together with Dr. John Macarthur, Dr. Al Mohler, Paul Washer, JD Hall, Chris Rosebrough, Phil Johnson ..... cry away with such a person for inspite of the Global Christian Forum in 2018 WE HAVE DECIDED that for THE CHURCH charismania and the social gospel are the greatest threats NOT the pope and the papacy.......


In a word, no. No for me, MacArthur, Mohler, Washer, Hall, Rosebrough, Johnson, and the others you and Joshua have borne false witness against. And again, for you to make such a ridiculous statements demonstrates you have no idea what these men have said and written.

All those mentioned have received an extensive list with extensive works why all the Reformers, the English Puritans, the Scottish Covenanters, the Waldenses, the Lollards, the Albigenses, Whycliff, Tyndale, John Foxe's book of Martyrs, Baptist 1677/1689, the Westminster Assembly, Jonathan Edwards, John Bunyan and C.H. Spurgeon TO THE MAN have said that according to Scripture and Gods Providence in churchhistory the pope in Rome is THE antichrist and the papacy Babylon.


Well, all I can say is, they apparently don't think “all the Reformers, the English Puritans, the Scottish Covenanters, the Waldenses, the Lollards, the Albigenses, Whycliff, Tyndale, John Foxe's book of Martyrs, Baptist 1677/1689, the Westminster Assembly, Jonathan Edwards, John Bunyan and C.H. Spurgeon TO THE MAN” are inspired, infallible and inerrant, nor that all their writings are binding to each and every Christian – just like not one of them TO THE MAN thought so either! Apparently, only you, and Joshua, and your partners think that way. That should tell you something, but at this point I doubt you catch it.

But Dr. John Macarthur, Phil Johnson,
But Dr. John Macarthur, Phil Johnson, Paul Washer, Jordan Hall .... DO NOT exposite from Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation that the pope is THE antichrist and the papacy Babylon, but than it is impossible that the same Babylon of Rev14v6-12 falls nor the Wicked of 2Thess2v8 is destroyed by the preaching of Christ, than they preach a false gospel and are false teachers.
Do you know why they don't exposit that from Scripture? I can tell you why (although I already have repeatedly in this update to my articles regarding Joshua Chavez, it is because the Scripture doesn't say that. Just because you infer it from Scripture after your own eisegetical reading of Scripture (thus imposing your presuppositional biases onto Scripture), doesn't mean everyone does. Stop projecting.

That is why they do not see a problem with the links between Heartcrymissionary, GTY, PRTS, 9Marks, SBTC, Ligonier etc... with Fiel Ministries/ Martin Bucer Seminary and Evangelium21 in Germany because they do not have to worry about Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation as they do not belong to the same Body of Christ as those martyrs who gave their lives for Christ during 605 years of Roman Catholic Inquisition.
Which is, of course, nothing but a smug self-righteous statement. You first find HeartCry, GTY, Ligonier, etc. guilty due to you extremely faulty and unbiblical guilt by association twice or more removed; and then you deem them not part of the Church! Since you and Joshua do the exact same thing, does that mean you are not part of the Church? Why are being so hypocritical!?!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY
Nice video. But it does not support your false accusation. Not one bit.

That is why they can go in 2017 and 2018 across the world claiming to be sons of the reformation, without having to protest against the worldwide ecumenism that is happening right under their noses with Global Christian Forum and the Vatican.
Don't you ever get tired of the same old, easily refuted cannard?

They only have to preach their gospel to keep the money going.
If you can't see that for the obvious lie that it is, then you have been deceived my friend.

Sorry, Bob, I hope you can still keep your best life now with a christian outside going. I hope the sun will shine tomorrow so you can have a very nice time with everybody and perhaps write an article about the apocryphia or perhaps about tattoos and drinking from a christian perspective. Or perhaps about being a christian and making more than $250.000 a year, how you can stay upright before God's Sight.
And again with the sarcasm and mockery and hateful language you have learned at the feet of where? Certainly not at the feet of Jesus Christ! I'll ignore your comment that I am a false Christian. I expect that from the evil one. Not always from someone professing to be a Christian, but at least I catch it when it comes. And guess what, I actually did write an article series – not just one article, but a four part series exposing the apocrypha! Now, can you please quote for me Scripture that says a Christian cannot have a tattoo, or drink alcohol, or is only allowed to earn a certain amount? I suspect you cannot. And standing upright before the Creator of the Universe? No. I spend my time on my knees or belly when I approach Him, beating my chest and proclaiming my unworthiness of His salvation. I would not dream of being so self-righteous, so holier-than-thou, so full of myself and pride of self, that I would walk upright before my Holy God.

And he continues:
Hello Bob,

I am the person that Servus Christi talks about in minutes 32-35 of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJq3H8m8rKQ
and 'waldens' under this article http://beginningofsorrows.org/2018/06/28/paul-washer-heartcry-partner-with-ecumenical-pope-lover/.

I hope, dear Bob, all proof together with what I have written is clear to you. If you have questions, please go to the King of His True Militant Church, the Lord Jesus Christ, and complain about me to Him when you stand in your closet before the God of Heaven and Earth Who knows your heart and life.

Rest assured Mr. Whateveryournameactuallyis, I have gone before my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ many times about Joshua, and now you. And still I withstand the flaming darts from Joshua and you. But then, His grace is sufficient for me.


May the Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on your soul and those of your loved ones as far as you all have not done the sin against the Holy Ghost.


My friend, my Lord Jesus Christ has already had mercy on my soul; and I have not committed the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. I'm covered. It's you and Joshua and Jacob that I am concerned about.

Revelation 18v4, 2John9-11


You really should apply those verses to yourself. As should Joshua.

a stranger and a pilgrim
And he continues:

Hello Bob,

As you can investigate for yourself.
Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher is President of the Martin Bucer Seminary worldwide of which Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil is a part.

You can know that Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher is part of this Roman Catholic Order of Saint Michael Archangel.

http://www.michaelarchangel.org/officers.html

Here you have the official recognition by the Holy see of this Order.

https://royalblog.org/2016/10/06/order-of-saint-michael-receives-recognition-from-catholic-church/

As you yourself describe the Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil as only an independent sattelite of Martin Bucer Seminary with President Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher, here how Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil itself sees itself in the Martin Bucer Seminary worldwide.

(translation from Brazilian from mainpage martinbucer.com)

'Is Martin Bucer Seminary linked to any organization?
SMB is an extension of Martin Bucer Seminar in Germany. Its aim is to equip pastors and Christian leadership in general for the Brazilian evangelical churches. .......'


'How is Martin Bucer Seminar in Germany?
Martin Bucer Seminar is a reformed theological seminary founded in Germany, with its teaching grounded in the Reformed faith as set out in its main confessions of faith: the Three Forms of Unity, the Westminster Confession of Faith, and the Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689, and summarized in the doctrinal statement of Tyndale House, Cambridge. Martin Bucer Seminar has study centers in Berlin, Bielefeld, Bonn, Chemnitz, Hamburg, Pforzheim (Germany), Innsbruck, Linz (Austria), Zürich (Switzerland), Prague / Zlin (Czech Republic) and Istanbul (Turkey). MBS, an acronym for which it is known, has offered its Bachelor's and Master's degrees in Theology, with research emphases in the areas of ethics, Islamic studies, missions and religious freedom.

Dr. Thomas Schirrmacher is the rector of MBS, where he teaches in the areas of systematic, apologetic and ethical theology. He is a specialist in sociology of religion and active in the area of ​​human rights and religious freedom. He is married to Christine Schirrmacher, who holds a PhD in Islamic Studies from the University of Bonn, Germany. Some of the couple's publications, in German, English and Spanish, can be read here: www.contra-mundum.org/schirrmacher.html. Titus Vogt is the Dean of MBS International Programs and teaches, among other subjects, Hebrew, Greek, systematic theology, history of theology and ethics, in the various MBS study centers......'

So, dear Bob, Martin Bucer Seminary Brazil is according to their own webpage an extention of Martin Bucer Seminary whose President is Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher who claim to have a profession of the orthodox reformed faith.

All at Martin Bucer Seminary worldwide can know that Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher is officer in a by the Holy See recogized order, they can know he promotes worlwide Global Christian Forum with the Vatican (see PUBLIC book GCF 2015 Tirana presented by Schirrmacher at GCF 2018 Bogotha) and they can know Schirrmacher through the WEA is a coffee buddy of Pope Francis I (who all the Reformers called THE antichrist from Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation).

This Dr. Franklin Ferreira knows about Schirrmacher.
This Dr. Joel R. Beeke knows about Schirrmacher.
This Luke Nash, Anthony Mathenia and Paul Washer know about the link between Dr. Franklin Ferreira and Schirrmacher.
This the USA ministries know about the link between Fiel Ministries/ Martin Bucer Seminary and Schirrmacher.

And now you, dear Bob, come forward to whitewash their public spiritual link to Fiel Ministries/ Martin Bucer Seminary of Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher by condenmning Servus Christi of what they are PUBLICLY guilty of on a worldwide scale.

Yearlong slandering, defaming and bearing false witness about the saints of the Lord Jesus Christ who knew the True Everlasting Gospel and because of that knew that the antichrist is in Rome for 1260 years, for which witness their beloved brothers and sisters in Christ suffered heavily during 605 years of roman catholic inquisition instituted by at least 75 brothers of pope Francis I, coffee boddy of Prof. Dr. Schirrmacher of Martin Bucer Seminary. Taking their witness even out of their studybibles like Dr. John Macarthur, Dr. Joel Beeke and Dr. Sproul did.

Demonstrating a gracious and unloving manner in treating the witness of the saints who preached the Everlasting Gospel by which Babylon falls by denying their witness in their exposition of Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation, yeah, even closing these parts of Scripture completely for their flocks. Saying in public that eschatology is only tertiair in comparison to the Gospel, thereby making a distinction that the Scripture does not make as the distinction earthly versus heavenly in Revelation is decisive who gets saved and the falling of Babylon must be a fruit of the preaching of the Everlasting Gospel. Those who in this day and age defend this witness from true protestantism f
I have already addressed this ad infinitum above. And why didn't you finish your sentence?
Those who in this day and age defend this witness from true protestantism from the Reformation are considered cooks and spiritually excommunicated from seminaries and churchbodies.
At TMS the student admission offices told me that if you would persist in this witness regarding the papal antichrist, I would eventually be asked to leave TMS. Just one example of many.


Perhaps if you could have only shown them where in Scripture the pope is explicitly stated to be The Anti-Christ. You can't. So, because you were spouting unscriptural opinions as facts, they would naturally ask you to leave.

Showing in 2017 worldwide hypocrisy by going around the world presenting themselves as sons of the reformation while knowingly and willingly denying the witness of the True Body of Christ against Rome, namely the fruit of their preaching the True Everlasting Gospel by which Babylon falls.


Already addressed this ad infinitum.

By denying the witness of the Reformation on papal Rome as THE antichrist from Daniel, 2Thess2 and Revelation they (TMS, Ligonier, Heartcrymissionary, PRTS, P&P, SBTS, Justin Peters, Christ Rosebrough, Phil Johnson, Mike Abenroth....) also wrongly apply and ignore the Word of God. This while THEY ALL have the witness of ALL THE REFORMERS, ALL THE PROTESTANT COMMENTARIES ON SCRIPTURE FROM THE REFORMATION, ALL THE DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF THEIR SUFFERING IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC INQUISITION, readily available to them for years, they willfully and purposely close their eyes and thereby the eyes of their flocks.


Already addressed this ad infinitum.

I have sent you, dear Bob, THE PROOF how strong this witness from the Reformation is and the confirmation of that proof after that by the English Puritans, the Scottish Covenanters, Whicliff, Tyndale, John Bunyan, C.H. Spurgeon and the suffering of the Waldenses, the Albigenses, the Lollards and the Hugenots.


Already addressed this ad infinitum, and you have sent me no “proof” whatsoever that supports your claims. None. Nor have you addressed any of the issues I raised.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY
http://www.iconbusters.com/iconbusters/htm/true_ch/witn/html/title-in.htm


Already addressed this.

You, Bob, now have all the proof (of which the link Heartcrymissionary Martin Bucer Seminary is only a part), you decide whether the person giving you this proof is an enemy or a friend of the True Militant Church of the Lord Jesus Christ in history and present.


No, I have your unsupported assertions and nothing more. The only proof you have provided is of your sin of hypocrisy. Repent. Rectify, be Reconciled to the Body.

You, Bob, may decide this for yourself before God's Sight in your private devotions.
I have, after much prayer and study of yours and Joshua's words as compared to Scripture.
Last remark:
I'll bet it's not. But if you persist in regurgitating your false witness, it will be as I will close off the comments!

What Servus Christi has brought forward is hypocrisy amongst those you consider THE CHURCH, deal with it, Bob.
No, actually he hasn't. He has slandered, defamed, mocked, spoken hateful of and been hypocritical, and is (as are you) in sin against God.

I remark here that the last few weeks those who have had their mouth full of how important the Gospel is, have not adressed Servus Christi on his views on the coredoctrines of the Gospel. This is very telling as it seems when confronted themselves with their sin and hypocrisy suddenly the Gospel is not central anymore, but how quickly we can take the person who attacks us down by ignoring, silencing, ad hominem attacks and simply using Scripture to paint him as black as can be (as we ourselves are). BUT SERVUS CHRISTI NOR JACOB PRASCH ARE NOT ADRESSED ON THEIR VIEWS ON THE CORE DOCTRINES OF THE TRUE GOSPEL (WHICH SPURGEON CALLED CALVINISM) BY THOSE WHO ALL OVER THE PLACE REPEAT REPEAT REPEAT HOW IMPORTANT THE GOSPEL IS. THIS ONLY INCREASED THEIR AND YOUR HYPOCRISY.
Nope. No hypocrites here on my side of the keyboard. However, since neither you, nor Joshua Chavez have ever once asked me about my views on the core doctrines of the faith; while at the same time declared me a false Christian, well, I guess you have now exposed yourself as the hypocrite here my friend.


Even if Joshua was a heathen, he could have shown you probably the same hypocrisy simply on principle. That you, Bob, do not even accept this public proof of all the hypocrisy of those you consider THE CHURCH, is a grave sign of your insincerity and hypocrisy and that of those you whitewash with these articles.
If and probably do make a very convincing argument. Calling me a hypocrite (without proof), calling me insincere (without proof), calling me a whitewasher (without proof), and don't even get me started on your implied threats against my family and me! Speaks volumes about you, now doesn't it?


And by the way, your claim that I “whitewash with these articles” those whom Joshua Chavez “exposes” is utter nonsense, and I believe that anyone with even a modicum of common sense can see that. I wrote my articles about Joshua Chavez, not about anyone else. He alone was the subject of my articles. And, as I documented in my articles, I actually did say the things I have stated he said. There is no disputing it. Nor is there any valid disputation of the fact that Joshua Chavez is in serious sin due to his actions. Attempting to spin this around and accuse these men all over again is nothing more than a feeble attempt to take the spotlight off of Mr. Chavez and protect him from having to accept responsibility for his actions.

PS. I know it should be causafinita, I let it be to show I stand with those who could not read or write but suffer for Christ uprightly and truly.
And yet, I have not seen you stand with those who could not read or write but suffer for Christ. Certainly not uprightly and certainly not truly. Unless, of course, you consider stalking and implied threats to be upright and true.


P.S.: I also find your pseudonym to be curious. I trust you realize the common usage of your “name” is found in the Latin phrase, “Roma locuta, causa finita” (Rome has spoken, the discussion is over). Considering your antipathy towards Rome (which is, of course, well founded), I simply found is curious that you would take one of their phrases, and adapt it for your “name.” I guess now we will see if you will live up to your name, “the discussion is over.”

In the third and final part of this article series concerning Mr. Joshua Chavez (aka: “Servus Christi”), we will take a look at his hypocritical “Do As I Say, Not As I Do” methodology for determining who is an apostate.

Please see the latest on this three part series: Servus Christi Updated, where I respond to a lengthy defense of Servus Christi, written at his behest by one of his friends.

Concerns, Part Three
D. Hypocrisy
In addition to presenting Mr. Chavez with all of the above evidence of his sin, I also attempted to demonstrate to him the hypocrisy of his actions by applying the standards and logic he applies to the numerous Christian brothers mentioned above, to himself.
As noted in the introduction, Mr. Chavez claims he is exposing apostasy in the Church. However, as also shown, he has not done this. Not once. In fact, his exposés are nothing more than strawman arguments and ad hominem red herring fallacies. He condemns person A because they appear at a conference or in a photo with person B, who in turn has appeared at a conference or in a photo with person C who may or may not be a false teacher, or is somehow affiliated with a false teacher. This is guilt by association twice removed. As faulty a methodology as this is, it is the methodology Mr. Chavez has chosen to employ; and, in doing so he has exposed his own hypocrisy.
I have dubbed the red-herring methodology used by Mr. Chavez the “Servus Christi Rule of Partnerships and Affiliations.” As you will see, when Mr. Chavez and his own affiliations and partnerships are examined by using his own methodology, his hypocrisy becomes glaringly evident.
On his website, Beginning of Sorrows, Mr. Chavez recommends both Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministries, as well as Beresford Job.

Now, as it just so happens, Beresford Job, on his Truth According to Scripture website, promotes John Piper, Paul Washer, and John MacArthur. By employing the “Servus Christi Rule of Partnerships and Affiliations,” we see Mr. Chavez, is therefore partnered with John Piper, Paul Washer, and John MacArthur via Beresford Job. Of course, Mr. Chavez has soundly (and falsely) condemned these men as apostates, frauds, false teachers, deceivers, hypocrites, and more; so his apparent partnership with them is not only hypocritical, but somewhat schizophrenic as well.

Far more interesting (and telling) is Mr. Chavez's personal, intimate, and open partnership with James Jacob Prasch and Moriel Ministries. Since Mr. Chavez recommends Mr. Prasch on his website, we can again employ the “Servus Christi Rule of Partnerships and Affiliations” to ascertain his actual involvement with Jacob Prasch. I have noted that throughout his various internet venues (blog, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook) Mr. Chavez speaks glowingly of his close personal friend Jacob Prasch. To quote Mr. Chavez, “I highly recommend following/supporting the ministry of Moriel TV and James Jacob Prasch.” Mr. Chavez calls him, “Balanced and indespensible,” “without compromise,” “Excellent teaching,” and “I don't recommend people lightly.” To further remind you of the importance of your intimate partnership with Jacob Prasch, I offer another verbatim quote from Mr. Chavez: “There is no guilt by 'association' but by APPROVAL. WATCH!” and his approval and recommendation of James Jacob Prasch defines his approval, recommendation and partnership with those Mr. Prasch is partnered with.
To begin with, let's look at Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel. Jacob Prasch calls Chuck Smith his “friend and brother,” “solidly supporting” Chuck Smith's positions, defending him against any and all critics. It should also be noted that Mr. Chavez also speaks glowingly of Chuck Smith as well. On his blog he writes of Chuck Smith, “Smith was known for being a verse by verse bible teacher.” Based on his approval of Chuck Smith, Mr. Chavez has clearly aligned himself with Chuck Smith as well; and that brings us back to the “Servus Christi Rule of Partnerships and Affiliations,”
Chuck Smith held Rick Warren in high regard, calling Warren a “brother in Christ,” and stating that he had no problem sharing a stage with him. This is the same Rick Warren who has affiliated himself with both Islam and the Vatican. That places Mr. Chavez only one degree of separation away from Rick Warren. The fact that Mr. Chavez judges and condemns others for doing the same thing that he himself has done exposes Mr. Chavez as a hypocrite.
In his last email to me, Mr. Chavez tried to explain away Chuck Smith's affiliation with Rick Warren by saying, “As for Chuck Smith, he entertained Rick Warren ONCE in 2009 at 82 years of age a few years before his death at a time when Rick Warren was not well known nor established in his ecumenism.” And yet, this isn't true. In fact, it is a bald-faced lie. Rick Warren was quite well known when he shared a stage with Chuck Smith at the Calvary Chapel 20 year anniversary “Harvest Crusade” on August 16, 2009. Warren had published his best selling book, The Purpose Driven Church, in 1995. He followed this up with another best seller, The Purpose Driven Life, in 2002. To say Chuck Smith was unaware of Rick Warren would also be untrue, as Smith denounced Rick Warren in 2006. A statement released by Smith's church stated, “The teachings and positions of Rick Warren have come into conflict with us at Calvary Chapel. Pastor Chuck has directed us to discontinue this product [Purpose Driven Life] effective immediately.”
Furthermore, on April 17, 2005 Rick Warren launched his ecumenical “Global P.E.A.C.E. Plan” before a crowd of 30,000 people in Angel's stadium in Anaheim, California. On January 20, 2009 Rick Warren appeared at President Barack Obama's inauguration where he publicly prayed to the Islamic “Isa;” and, on July 4, 2009 Warren appeared at the 2009 ISNA Conference addressing upward of 40,000 Muslims. By the time Chuck Smith shared a stage with Rick Warren on August 16, 2009, Rick Warren and his ecumenism were both well known and well established. And yet, none of this served to dissuade Chuck Smith, a man whom both Mr. Chavez and his close friend Jacob Prasch held in high regard (and whom Prasch was intimate friends with), from reversing his condemnation of Rick Warren, and embracing Warren as a Christian brother and a friend.
In fact, none of Warren's ecumenical heresy served to dissuade Smith from sharing the platform with Warren at a Calvary Chapel event. None of this served to dissuade Chuck Smith from introducing Warren as “my good friend who pastors Saddleback Church,” and none of this served to dissuade Smith from asking Warren to lead in prayer.
In fact, the following day, August 17, 2009, Chuck Smith was appearing on a local radio program when a caller expressed dismay at Smith sharing the stage with such a well known heretic, asking Smith, “Should pastors share a platform at an evangelical event with someone who typifies the Emergent Church, a minister?” Chuck Smith's answer is very revealing regarding his relationship with Rick Warren, as he said, “Now it could be that God IS calling him to that, but that isn’t why God has called ME to do and so, but I can still look at him as a brother in Christ. … We were both invited to be there but we were on the platform together, sat next to each other, and he is a brother in Christ, and so I didn’t really have any real problem with sharing, being on the same program together with him.”
Mr. Chavez's claim that Chuck Smith, “entertained Rick Warren ONCE in 2009 at 82 years of age a few years before his death...” is equally untrue as they appeared together on a radio call-in program on February 27, 2013; for which Rick Warren sent out a message on his Twitter page saying, “Answering Bible questions with my friend Chuck Smith on KWVE radio today.” The simple fact is that Chuck Smith was good friends with Rick Warren, and considered Warren a brother in Christ, in spite of Warren's well known ecumenism.

Did Mr. Chavez not know any of this about Chuck Smith? Does he not vet those whom he recommends? Jacob Prasch, whom Mr. Chavez regards so highly, whom he recommends so highly, whom Mr. Chavez calls, “balanced and indespensible,” “without compromise,” “Excellent teaching,” and “I don't recommend people lightly.” With whom Mr. Chavez is on a first name basis (as is shown in his last email to me), actually knew Chuck Smith and considered Smith his “friend and brother.” He supported and defended Smith on several occasions, and took “extreme exception” to critical statements made against Smith. Jacob Prasch was, according to Mr. Chavez's methodology, a partner with Chuck Smith.
Mr. Chavez also wrote in his last email to me, “Jacob Prasch is one of few people who OPENLY condemned the trajectory of Calvary Chapel and rightly predicted its demise. Jacob praised the early work of Calvary during the Jesus Movement.” It should be noted that during the early work of Calvary Chapel during the Jesus Movement, Chuck Smith was partnered with a man by the name of Lonnie Frisbee, a drug addicted homosexual who died from complications of AIDS in 1993. This is the man whom Jacob Prasch “praised” for “the early work of Calvary during the Jesus Movement” (to quote Mr. Chavez). Again, did Mr. Chavez not know any of this about Jacob Prasch? It is common knowledge, and easily found with a simple Google search. Does Mr. Chavez not vet those whom he recommends?
And then there is Chuck Missler. Mr. Chavez attempts to dismiss Jacob Prasch's affiliation to both Chuck Smith and Chuck Missler by writing, “Both Smith and Missler are dead, and Jacob had no regular partnership with either of them.” And yet, as we have seen, Jacob Prasch was intimately affiliated with his good friend and brother Chuck Smith, whom he both supported and defended. Mr. Chavez judges and condemns others with far more tenuous relationships than Prasch and Smith; and yet, Mr. Chavez seems to think the one is not okay and evidence of apostasy, while clearly dismissing the relationship between Prasch and Smith. This is, by definition, hypocrisy.
Jacob Prasch's relationship with Chuck Missler is even more solid than his relationship with Chuck Smith. Not only does (not did, but does) Jacob Prasch call Chuck Missler his friend and brother, but he goes on to say of Missler that he “liked Chuck very much personally,” that he has always “appreciated the ministry of Chuck Missler, [my] brother in Christ.” And, while Mr. Prasch did not share the stage with Chuck Smith, by his own admission he actually shared the stage many times with Chuck Missler in both the United States and the U.K.; and he “remains grateful for the sanction [Missler] lent to the ministry of Jacob Prasch and Moriel.”
Again we turn to Mr. Chavez's “Servus Christi Rule of Partnerships and Affiliations” in our examination of Chuck Missler (whom Mr. Chavez is only degree of separation away from via Jacob Prasch). As with Chuck Smith, Mr. Missler was also partnered with a known heretic. In Chuck Missler's case it was the “singing prophet” of the New Apostolic Reformation, Mr. Kim Clement. Before he himself passed away (November 22, 2016, almost two years before Chuck Missler who died May 1, 2018), Clement partnered with Chuck Missler for what was billed as a “very special End Times conference hosted by Kim Clement featuring the teachings of Chuck Missler” at Missler's own “Koinonia House” ministry, on January 9th-11th, 2015.

As noted, Kim Clement was a “prophet” with the New Apostolic Reformation. The fact is, however, he was a false prophet. In January 2006, Clement prophesied that God had told him that He would raise up the rapper Eminem to be a voice for the Lord, and that horror writer Stephen King would begin writing for the Kingdom of God – and that both would happen in 2006. Clement went on to say that the news networks, ABC included, would join together in 2006 and “destroy the power of control and manipulation” and “have a section where Christ will be glorified.” He further prophesied that 2006 would see the end of “pestilence” and “bird flu” in the United States (there have been outbreaks each year since), as well as a cure for “sugar diabetes” and “HIV positive;” and “thousands and then tens of thousands of gay men and women” in San Francisco coming to salvation, “says the Lord.” Clearly, not one of Clements prophecies came true. He was, by definition, a false prophet.[1]
Additionally, on April 19, 2014 Kim Clements gave a prophecy wherein he stated that Pope Francis was God's chosen[2], and that same year he appeared on Benny Hinn's television program, “This is Your Day” where he gave more false prophecies.
Although these numerous false prophecies were given (and failed to come to pass) in 2006; as well as his obvious affinity for and affiliation with both Pope Francis and Benny Hinn (both known heretics), Chuck Missler still invited Clement to his ministry and partnered with him there for a special conference. What makes this even more interesting is that on January 12, 2008, Jacob Prasch's Moriel Ministries published an article that both exposed and condemned Kim Clement (and Benny Hinn) as a false prophet![3] Even after knowing this about Clement, and even after his “good friend and brother” Chuck Missler hosted Kim Clement at his ministry and partnered with him, Jacob Prasch still endorsed, promoted, and spoke glowingly of Chuck Missler. And again, according to Mr. Chavez's own methodology, this places Mr. Chavez only one degree of separation away (via Jacob Prasch) from Chuck Missler, who partners with false prophets.

Yet again I have to ask, did Mr. Chavez not know any of this about Jacob Prasch, whom Mr. Chavez is such good friends with? It is all easily found with a simple Google search. Does Mr. Chavez not vet those whom he recommends? He is quick to condemn person A because person A has appeared with person B, who in turn has appeared with person C; and yet, when Mr. Chavez does this same thing he says it means nothing. This is a case of Mr. Chavez saying, “do as I say, but not as I do,” and that is hypocrisy.
In his video condemning Paul Washer for this same type of affiliation (see section A above), Mr. Chavez pulled out all the stops in his vitriolic rant against Mr. Washer, condemning him because he did not know of any affiliation between Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil and Thomas Schirrmacher in Germany. I think it appropriate to paraphrase Mr. Chavez's words here, simply substituting Mr. Washer's name with Mr. Chavez, and Thomas Schirrmacher with the names of those whom Mr. Chavez is affiliated: “Somebody might say you didn't know who he was. You didn't know this about Jacob Prasch, Chuck Smith, and Chuck Missler. Why not? Why not? Did you blindly enter into a partnership with Jacob Prasch without ever inquiring who he was and who he supported and partnered with? If so, it would be such a gross act of negligence, it would be comparable to leaving your baby in a baking car in mid-July. It would be more comparable to taking your children and dropping them off at the abandoned shack on the corner with some shady looking people and saying, 'we'll leave them here to be baby sat, we're going out for the night.' You don't know who you're subjecting people too? You don't know who you're subjecting God's people to? You are pointing the sheep of God in the direction of a man who is partnered with known heretics...who is clearly a devilish man. Are you claiming you didn't know, Mr. Chavez? At best you are guilty of negligence to such a degree it calls for the immediate removal of yourself from any and all forms of ministry, especially discernment ministry. What kind of fraudulent nonsense is this? Or worse, you know exactly who Jacob Prasch, Chuck Smith, and Chuck Missler are partnered with, and you just don't care. So which excuse are you going to use: your negligence or you're apathetic? Either way, you're disqualified for ministry. This is disgustingly bad in every possible way. This is not a light matter. You are not just partnering with people who teach questionable doctrine, but people who are such painfully obvious false teachers who are leading people away from God and straight toward hell.”
Sources:
[1] In 2006, God says, 'I will now multiply the anointing on the ages from 8 to 17. They shall become the voices to this Nation, by Kim Clement, Jan 12, 2006, http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/3727, accessed 12 August 2018
[2] From The Den, April 19th, 2014 - The Den, by Kim Clement, http://www.kimclement.com/prophecyview.php?id=547, accessed 12 August 2018
[3] Soothsayers And Charlatans - It Must Be The Last Days, Written by Moriel Administrator, Saturday, 12 January 2008, https://www.moriel.org/component/k2/item/734-soothsayers-and-charlatans-it-must-be-the-last-days.html?ml=1, accessed 12 August 2018

Conclusion:
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said in Matthew 7:1-5, “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.” What Mr. Chavez has done in condemning others while not condemning himself for doing the same thing is exactly what Jesus is talking about in this verse. Hypocrisy.
In his last email to me, Mr. Chavez indicated that I somehow thought my exposing his hypocrisy was my “trump card,” some sort of smoking gun. Nothing could be further from the truth. His demonstrated sin in sections A, B, and C are evidence enough of his sin. Rather, by showing that he himself is guilty of doing the exact same thing he condemns others for doing exposes his hypocrisy. He states that since I do not believe in guilt by association (which I do not, unless it is a case of a person partnering in ministry with a known and proven heretic), then showing that he is guilty of such hypocrisy as a result of using his own methodology is actually null and void, because I would be “proving a point that you don't believe in.” No, it proves that Mr. Chavez is guilty of doing what he condemns others for doing. Instead, he says that I “ought rather pity me and leave me be.” Again, no. Mr. Chavez is a professing Christian and he is attacking the Body of Christ, sinning against the Body of Christ, and Scripture obliges me to take up that issue.
I do pity him, and I do sincerely want him to repent. Mr. Chavez should publicly recant his false witness against brothers in Christ, he should publicly apologize to those whom he has publicly bore false witness against, and he should rectify the wrongs he has done by removing any and all public videos, articles, tweets, and Facebooks posts wherein he has bore false witness against brothers in Christ.
In my private emails to Mr. Chavez I begged him repeatedly to repent, recant, and rectify and he steadfastly and stubbornly refused to do so. In my last email to him I told him I would give him a week to do so, which I feel is ample time. Mr. Chavez stated he had no intention of repenting, recanting, or rectifying the wrongs he has done, and he stated there was no need to wait a week before taking this before the Body of Christ.
Mr. Chavez then closed his last email to me with the statement, “Has Lakeland become Laodicea?”
I will leave it up to the Body of Christ to decide what to do about Mr. Chavez; and also to try and decipher his cryptic closing sentence. I will continue to pray for his repentance.

In part one Mr. Chavez was shown to be publicly displaying slander, defamation, and bearing false witness against several Christian brothers. In part two we will explore more concerns with Mr. Chavez's apparent public vendetta against the Body of Christ by examining his public ungracious and unloving manner as it compares to the Word of God; as well as his wrong application of Scripture.



Concerns, Part Two
B. Demonstrating an Ungracious and Unloving Manner
Mr. Chavez's demeaning, slanderous, defamatory, and condemnatory behavior has been adequately documented in section A above; and documented to such an extent that it removes all doubt as to his guilt in this. The vitriol, the name calling, the verbal violence is extremely disconcerting and contrary to numerous commands to love others. In fact, Jesus Himself stated that the two greatest commands (which sum up all of God's laws) are to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind” and to “love your neighbor as yourself.” (Matthew 22:36-40). And these are not applicable only amongst Christians, but to every single person on the face of the earth.
This is a subject that is addressed over and over again throughout the Scriptures: “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another” (John 13:34); “This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you” (John 15:12); and please see: John 15:17; Ephesians 4:16; Romans 12:10; 1 Thessalonians 4:9-10; 1 Thessalonians 5:13; 1 Peter 1:22; 1 Peter 4:8; 2 Peter 1:7; Hebrews 13:1; 1 John 3:11; 1 John 3:23; 1 John 4:7; 1 John 4:11; 1 John 4:21; 2 John 1:5.
It is so vitally important to exhibit love because, “By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another” (John 13:35). Again, we are admonished and exhorted repeatedly to love not just one another, but all people regardless of whether or not they are believers in Christ. For example, “make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose” (Philippians 2:2); “For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another” (Galatians 5:13); “with all humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another in love” (Ephesians 4:2); “but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ” (Ephesians 4:15); “Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king” (1 Peter 2:17); “To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit” (1 Peter 3:8 ); “Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, 'You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,' and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law” (Romans 13:8-10). In fact, an entire chapter in 1 Corinthians is devoted to this issue (see 1 Corinthians 13).
Slander is something that belongs to the unregenerate, not to the Christian. In fact, we are specifically told to not slander others (Colossians 3:7-10). When it comes to slandering others in the Body of Christ, Paul's admonition applies equally, if not more so. Bearing false witness is, plainly and simply put, lying (Proverbs 14:5), and it is something that is not an average run-of-the-mill sin (if there is such a thing); but rather, it is something our Lord has specifically stated that He hates. Note Proverbs 6:16-19, “16 There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: 17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, 19 a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.” And note specifically verse 19. The Lord “hates” “a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.” That is what Mr. Chavez is doing.


C. Wrongly Applying and Ignoring The Word of God


1. In your video, “Justin Peters Exposed (Phone Call)”[1], Mr. Chavez states, “Justin has remained deafeningly silent. Deafeningly silent while his friends in the ministry prostitute themselves, commit spiritual fornication. John MacArthur at this point is a spiritual whore, and yes the terminology is deliberate. Every time somebody in the Old Testament, when the children of Israel are playing with other gods, playing with people they shouldn't be playing with, God likens it to harlotry, to adultery, it's sexually explicit. Why? Because you're mingling with them. You're mingling. Their spiritually transmitted diseases now become yours. That's what's happening. You're witnessing spiritual whoredom take place, and nobody seems to care.”
What Mr. Chavez have failed to recognize is that, when the children of Israel prostituted themselves with idolatrous tribes such as the Caananites, they adopted the pagan worship practices of those tribes, including the worship of false gods (idols). Mr. Chavez is wrongly applying these Scriptures to Justin Peters, John MacArthur and others. They have not adopted any pagan worship practices. They have not begun worshiping false gods. Mr. Chavez is taking God's Word, and wrongly applying it in order to support what appears to be a personal vendetta against these men, these Christian brothers.
2. Mr. Chavez repeatedly appeal to 2 John 11 as Scriptural authority for him to call out John MacArthur, Justin Peters, Paul Washer, Phil Johnson, etc. However, when 2 John 11 is read in its proper context, it is clear that he is wrongly applying this Scripture. 2 John 7-11 reads, “7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. 9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.”
The passage is referring to known deceivers. These deceivers do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. They do not abide in the teaching of Christ, and therefore do not know God. Mr. Chavez applies this Scripture to these men, while never once, not one single time in any video or tweet or article or Facebook post has heu ever demonstrated that any of these men reject the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Mr. Chavez has never demonstrated that any of these men do not abide in the teaching of Christ. Not once. In other words, Mr. Chavez has never demonstrated that any of them are deceivers. Again, he are wrongly applying this verse (2 John 11) by taking it out of context, and twisting it to support what appears to be a personal vendetta against these Christian brothers.
3. In Mr. Chavez's video, “John MacArthur Condemned By Friends & Himself”[2], Mr. Chavez plays a clip of John MacArthur being asked a question, and then his response. The question was, can a person who takes the mark of the beast still be saved, and his response was yes. Mr. Chavez then turns to Scripture and promptly begins to eisegete it. He turns first to Revelation 20:4, reading, “And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.” [words emphasized were emphasized by Mr. Chavez in his video.]
He then comments eisegetically on this passage by saying, “they had not worshiped the beast or his image, nor taken the mark. Well, why are these the only people he sees? Well, because over here in Revelation chapter 14 we read,”
“9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone – if anyone – worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall – shall – also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and who? whoever receives the mark of his name.” [added words and emphasized words were added and emphasized by Mr. Chavez in his video.]
Mr. Chavez then continues his eisegesis by commenting, “Whoever receives this mark will be tormented forever and ever. Same words used to describe your salvation, forever and ever. They shall, they shall also drink of the wrath of God. They shall be tormented. They shall have no rest day or night. … That's what the word of God says. That those who take this mark on their forehead or their hands shall be tormented day and night, the smoke of their torment shall ascend forever and ever. It shall happen, whether or not its possible for it not happen is irrelevant, what we know is it shall be the case.” [again, those words noted as emphasized, are emphasized by Mr. Chavez in his video.]
The problem with Mr. Chavez's interpretation of this passage is that, as is the case with most eisegetical interpretations, it isn't true. It is not, as he claims, “what the word of God says.” He wrongly employs manipulation by emphasizing certain words and phrases (to set them firmly in his viewers minds) and then incorrectly tells his viewers what they mean; that anyone who takes the mark shall be tormented, shall face God's wrath, it shall happen, it shall be the case. Again, however, that simply isn't true.
A proper reading of Revelation 14:9-11 reveals the word “and.” This word, used in this passage, is a qualifying connective, also known as a qualifying conjunction. In other words, these are conditional sentences. The events connected by the word “and” are dependent upon one another. Thus:
“9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand,” This is a conditional statement. The person must worship the beast, AND worship his image, AND receive his mark. The person must do all three of these things, not one or the other. The verse does not read, worship the beast OR his image OR receive his mark. It goes on,
“10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night,” Again, this is a conditional statement, describing what will happen to those who meet all three of the qualifiers in verse 9. They will drink of the wine of the wrath of God. What does this wrath consist of? There are several aspects of God's wrath described here. They are:
1. Tormented with fire,
2. Tormented with brimstone,
3. Tormented in the presence of the holy angels,
4. Tormented in the presence of the Lamb,
5. The smoke of their torment will ascend forever and ever,
6. They will have no rest day or night.
The passage then reiterates who will face this wrath, they are those, “who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” Again, all three qualifiers must be present. Yet Mr. Chavez (presumably intentionally) eisegetes these verses in order to support what appears to be his personal vendetta against these brothers in Christ.
This is no better than what Mr. Jacob Prasch – a close friend of Mr. Chavez, and director of Moriel ministries – does when he unashamedly lies about MacArthur's statement by claiming MacArthur said those who meet all three specific qualifiers can still be saved, which, of course, MacArthur never said. What's worse is that Prasch actually features the YouTube clip which proves MacArthur never said that, and thus proves Prasch knowingly lied about it.
4. In your video, “How Christians Are Deceived”[3], Mr. Chavez states that pastors have “arbitrary authority,” and “perceived authority” over the sheep in their care. He then goes on to make his case by appealing to Micah 3, Malachi 2, the Lord rebuking the prophets and priest in Jeremiah, and even our Lord's rebukes of the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes. This eschewing of pastors is no doubt due to his participation in the House Church Movement, however, it is completely contrary to Scripture, which not only instructs churches to have not just pastors, but ruling (or senior) pastors as well; and also that Christians are to be subject to them and obedient to them. For example:
“And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,” (Ephesians 4:11-13)
“So I exhort the elders among you, as a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, as well as a partaker in the glory that is going to be revealed: shepherd the flock of God that is among you, exercising oversight, not under compulsion, but willingly, as God would have you; not for shameful gain, but eagerly; not domineering over those in your charge, but being examples to the flock. And when the chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the unfading crown of glory. Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for 'God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.'” (1 Peter 5:1-5)
“Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.” (Hebrews 13:17)
“Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.” (Acts 20:28)
“We ask you, brothers, to respect those who labor among you and are over you in the Lord and admonish you, and to esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Be at peace among yourselves.” (1 Thessalonians 5:12-13)
“Let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in preaching and teaching.” (1 Timothy 5:17)
In fact, Scripture even provides qualifications for pastors:
“This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife, and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. For an overseer, as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.” (Titus 1:5-9)
“1 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. 2 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own household well, with all dignity keeping his children submissive, 5 for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church? 6 He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.” (1 Timothy 3)
5. Throughout his videos, articles, tweets, etc.; Mr. Chavez claims that these men (MacArthur, Washer, Johnson, Peters, Friel, etc) are “false teachers.” Scripture provides a very clear description of what a false teacher is. They “secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them” (2 Peter 2:1-3); they do not produce good fruit, but rather they produce bad fruit (Matthew 7:15-20); they teach a “different doctrine” and do not “agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ,” have an “unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words” (1 Timothy 6:3-5); they “cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine” brought through the apostles and Scripture (Romans 16:17-18); they twist the Scriptures (Acts 20:29-30); they teach a different gospel (Galatians 1:6-9); they do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh from God (1 John 4:1-6); they do not confess the coming of Jesus and they do not abide in the teaching of Scripture (2 John 1:7-11).
Although Mr. Chavez continually states these people are false teachers, he has yet to explain which of their teachings is contrary to Scripture, and therefore false. Furthermore, not once has he ever demonstrated that any of these men are false teachers in any way by comparing them to Scripture. Instead, he has simply thrown out his (very serious) accusations against them without once providing any scriptural evidence that they actually are false teachers as Scripture describes false teachers. Again, he is wrongly applying Scripture to support what appears to be his personal vendetta – his baseless vendetta, against these men.
Sources:
[1] Video: Justin Peters Exposed (Phone Call), created by Joshua Chavez, Uploaded to YouTube by Joshua Chavez on July 15, 2018, accessed 10 August 2018, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgFqVs1b9DM
[2] Video: John MacArthur Condemned By Friends & Himself, created by Joshua Chavez, Uploaded to YouTube by Joshua Chavez on August 5, 2018, accessed 10 August 2018, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY9fmUgkRLk
[3] Video: How Christians Are Deceived, created by Joshua Chavez, Uploaded to YouTube by Joshua Chavez on May 18, 2018, accessed 10 August 2018, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sheBpWQAo98

Introduction
There is a minor YouTube personality by the name of Joshua Chavez, who uses the internet name: “Servus Christi” (Latin for “Slave of Christ”). Mr. Chavez presents himself as being a Christian, and presents himself as having a discernment ministry. His website, Beginning of Sorrows, states,
“Beginning of Sorrows is dedicated to the advancement of the kingdom of Jesus Christ through proclaiming truth and exposing apostasy. We will earnestly contend for the faith in every realm.
We abhor false doctrine, as it is largely the aim of this blog to expose. Many others have and do contend for the faith in this fashion, and we appreciate those who do. This is but another voice that we hope will edify true believers in Christ and bring insightful perspectives in certain areas.
Ultimately the goal is that the Lord Jesus Christ be glorified. The days in which we are living are dark, indeed. If we are not in the midst of THE great apostasy, then surely we are in the midst of A great apostasy.”
Contending for the faith, proclaiming truth, exposing apostasy, and glorifying Jesus Christ. These are his stated goals. But does he? It is my contention that he is not. He is not contending for the faith, he is not proclaiming truth, he is not exposing apostasy, and he is certainly not glorifying our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. In this series of articles evidence will be presented to support this contention.
Since Mr. Chavez presents himself as a Christian, I have extended him the benefit of the doubt, and am treating him and the issue of his public sin as if he is a Christian. As a Christian, I have nothing but love for Mr. Chavez as a brother in Christ. I want nothing more than for him to repent of his public sin and be reconciled to the Body of Christ. I believe Mr. Chavez has a talent which can be used to glorify Christ, if only he would use it to that end.
I have personally contacted Mr. Chavez via email, in an attempt to convince him to repent of his sin – sin you will see for yourself in the following articles. I have no desire to embarrass him. I have no desire to see him shamed. I do not hate him, nor do I bear him any animosity of any kind. I simply want him to repent. In my emails to Mr. Chavez I have explained that he was being very adversarial, very antagonistic, very divisive, and very hateful. This is not how Christians are to be, and especially not with other Christians as Mr. Chavez is being. I explained his condemnatory manner was not conducive to being loving as Jesus has commanded us to be. I have repeatedly asked him, urged him, and begged him to repent, to issue a public apology, and to rectify the harm he has caused and is causing through various public forums – namely YouTube videos, his internet blog, his Twitter page, and his Facebook page; for all the world to see (and thus bringing shame and reproach upon the Body of Christ, and by extension Christ Himself). His response was to say I was either a liar, or presumptuously ignorant.
Not being easily put off by his personal attack, I contacted him again and repeated my request for him to repent of his sin and rectify the harm he has done and is doing to the Body of Christ. His response was to ignore me. I tried one last time to get him to repent, emailing him with a detailed account of his sin along with a biblical refutation of it. His response was to accuse me of being “disingenuous,” of “malicious retaliation,” of “graceless retaliation,” of having a “gross double standard,” of defending “overt and undeniable hypocrisy,” of being “willfully blind,” of being “emotional,” and of “partiality.” He also called me a “liar,” a “nonsensical hypocrite,” a “graceless lunatic,” “pathetic” and he then pronounced “shame and Folly” on me. He then closed by telling me how gracious he was.
Matthew 18:15-17 states that if a brother sins against me, I am to tell him his fault in private. When you sin publicly against the Body, it affects the whole Body. Therefore, I believe Mr. Chavez has sinned against me as well. I have tried to correct Mr. Chavez via private via emails, however they did not serve to bring him to repentance. The concerns against him have been established by more than the two or three witnesses Scripture requires, as not only have I brought them to his attention, but so have Pastor J.D. Hall, Keith Thompson, Pastor Phil Johnson, Pastor Chris Rosbrough, and Todd Friel. Therefore, I believe the Scriptural requirements have been met in order to proceed to this next level, taking it before the Church, before the Body of Christ to whom I now set forth the concerns regarding the public sin of Mr. Joshua Chavez.
Concerns, Part One


A. Slander, Defamation, and Bearing False Witness Against Brothers in Christ


Mr. Chavez has repeatedly slandered and defamed Christian leaders, and in doing so he has brought shame and reproach upon the Body of Christ; and, by extension, Christ Himself. For example:
1. He publicly stated that John MacArthur, a well respected member of the Body of Christ, was “Diotrephetic” [1], indicating he shared the attributes of Diotrephes (3 John 9-12). In doing this he is claiming that John MacArthur: 1) loves to be in a position of preeminence over others; 2) refuses to welcome those in authority into the church; 3) maliciously spreads gossip about men of God; 4) withholds hospitality from other believers; 5) requires others to follow his poor example; 6) excommunicates anyone who crosses him; and 7) is evil and therefore not a Christian. He publicly and derisively referred to him as “Pope John MacArthur” [2], thus equating him with the Roman pontiff, a known false teacher. He has publicly called John MacArthur a “hypocrite” [1][6], a “Pharisee” [1][5], a “Judaizer” [1], a “deceiver” [1], a “fraud” [6], an “ecumenist” [6], an “apostate” [6], and a “False Prophet” [1]. He has called John MacArthur a “spiritual whore” [4], a term which he personally and publicly stated was used deliberately [4].
2. He publicly called Seth Dunn, a fellow Christian, a “degenerate” [2]; or, in other words, a person without morals, especially sexual morals (as is the common usage of the word). This is a married brother with small children! That he would publicly (or even privately) refer to a brother in the Lord in such a manner is reprehensible.
3. He publicly called J.D. Hall, who is not only a brother in the Lord, but a minister of the gospel, “sociopathic” [2]. According to Dictionary.com, the definition of a sociopath is “a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.” He has also publicly called Pastor Hall a “liar” and a “deceiver” [1][2]; as well as publicly stating that he is a hypocrite [1][2][5], and “destitute of integrity” [1]; as well as publicly calling him a “Pharisee” [1], a “Judaizer” [1], and a “False Prophet” [1].
4. He publicly called Phil Johnson, another Christian minister of the gospel a “hypocrite” [1][2] “destitute of integrity” [1]; as well as publicly calling him a “Pharisee” [1], a “Judaizer” [1], a “deceiver” [1], and a “False Prophet” [1].
5. He publicly called Todd Friel, a fellow Christian and brother in the Lord, a “hypocrite” [1][2] “destitute of integrity” [1]; as well as publicly calling him a “Pharisee” [1], a “Judaizer” [1], a “deceiver” [1], and a “False Prophet” [1].
6. He publicly called Paul Washer, a fellow Christian and well respected Christian missionary, a “Pharisee” [1], a “Judaizer” [1], a “Hypocrite” [1], a “deceiver” [1], an “apostate” [5], and a “False Prophet” [1].
7. He publicly called Chris Rosebrough, a fellow Christian and a minister of the gospel, a “Pharisee” [1], a “Judaizer” [1], a “Hypocrite” [1], a “deceiver” [1], and a “False Prophet” [1].
8. He publicly called Justin Peters, a fellow Christian and brother in the Lord, a “Pharisee” [1], a “Judaizer” [1], a “hypocrite” [1][4][5], a “deceiver” [1], a “fraud” [5], and a “False Prophet” [1]. He also publicly stated that Justin Peters is “pathetic” [4], insincere [4], and a “coward” [4][5], as well as stating that his behavior is “tantamount to whoredom itself” [4].
9. He publicly called Costi Hinn, a fellow Christian and a minister of the gospel, an “establishment religionist” [4].
10. He publicly called Albert Mohler, a fellow Christian and a minister of the gospel, a “spiritual whore” [4].
11. He publicly called Steven Lawson, a fellow Christian and a minister of the gospel, a “Pharisee” [5].
12. He publicly called Conrad Mbewe, a fellow Christian and a minister of the gospel, an ecumenist [5].
13. Heu publicly called Anthony Mathenia, a fellow Christian and a minister of the gospel, an apostate [5].
14. He publicly called Jeff Maples, a fellow Christian – a brother in the Lord, a “hypocrite” [5].
15. He publicly called Mike Abendroth, a fellow Christian and a minister of the gospel, a “hypocrite” [5].
16. In his video, “Paul Washer Partners With Pope-Loving Ecumenical Leader,” he publicly states that Paul Washer and HeartCry Missionary Society are not only in “formal partnership,” but “intimate” and “open partnership” with Martin Bucer Seminary, and thus, in partnership with the Roman Catholic church. This is ludicrous! And what does he base it on? The simple fact that the president of Martin Bucer Seminary, Germany is Thomas Schirrmacher, an Anglican Bishop (whom he refers to repeatedly as “pope lover” and likely an undercover Jesuit). Let's look at the actual facts, though, and see just how far off he really is.
Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil is an Evangelical Reformed Seminary located in Brazil. It is hosted by a local church in Brazil. It receives it's curriculum from a Reformed Seminary in the United States. It is an independent satellite seminary campus of Martin Bucer Seminary, Germany. Thomas Schirrmacher, the president of Martin Bucer Seminary, Germany actually lives in Germany and not Brazil; and, other than a few trips to Brazil to look in on the seminary there, has very little to do with Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil. Thomas Schirrmacher has long been involved in numerous human rights and religious freedom campaigns, often alongside apostate and false Christian groups such as the Roman Catholic church. While there is no doubt that Schirrmacher is personally in serious error and open rebellion against God as per 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, there is nothing to connect Martin Bucer Seminary to this error and rebellion. That Schirrmacher is the president of the seminary does not demonstrate the seminary itself is involved in his error and rebellion. Does the seminary teach and encourage ecumenism with false Christian and apostate groups? No.
Furthermore, his claims that HeartCry Missionary Society (and by extension Paul Washer and everyone whom has ever met Paul Washer) is in “formal” “intimate” and “open partnership” with Martin Bucer Seminary is equally baseless, as has been shown to him already – and yet he continues to promote this nonsense! In fact, this was recently shown to him on his own Facebook page in the form of a response from HeartCry, written by HeartCry's South American Coordinator, Mr. Luke Nash, who wrote,
“With regard to your question regarding HeartCry's connection to Martin Bucer Seminary in Brazil, there is no current affiliation. We support one missionary that previously graduated from the seminary (Igor Dias) and initially, in 2013 as the seminary was starting up in Brazil, HeartCry helped them purchase a number of good historically reformed books for their library, but that has been the extent of our partnership. This support was given prior to any awareness of Mr. Schirrmacher – since in our understanding the seminary in Brazil is very much an independent ministry from that in Germany – or any of his ecumenical views regarding the Catholic Church. As explained to us – again, we knew nothing at the time of any controversial issues regarding a seminary in Germany – the name 'Martin Bucer' was given to the seminary for purposes of accreditation in Brazil, while the curriculum was taken strictly from a separate seminary in the United States.
“We knew only the pastors of the church in which the seminary is hosted, and after spending time in conversation with them regarding their convictions and vision for the seminary, found them to be faithful, godly, Christ-centered men who held very tightly to the Solas of the Reformation – in no way ecumenical toward the Roman Catholic Church – and who desired to see genuine, biblical reform across Brazil.”
He goes on to write, “I can assure you that if we has sensed or been aware of any tendency toward ecumenism with the Catholic Church, we would have certainly ended all ties with the seminary immediately. Any news of such ecumenism in the German seminary (with which we have had no affiliation at all) had not been brought to our notice. In fact, I can assure you that if I ever sensed anything of the sort here at HeartCry, I would be the first to leave, as long as the other brothers didn't beat me to it. We are committed to the proclamation of the exclusivity of Christ as Savior and of salvation through faith alone by grace alone because of His sufficient atoning death on the cross. Paul Washer or the men here at HeartCry have never shied away from the proclamation of this gospel, and by God's grace will continue to proclaim it at the risk of inevitable offense.” He ended his message by reiterating, “I can assure you that we have no ongoing affiliation with Martin Bucer, and that we are not turning anyone into the arms of an antichrist or an antichrist supporter.” Signed, “Luke Nash, HeartCry Missionary Society, Coordinator for South America.”
There you have it. An official statement from HeartCry regarding the “concerns” he has raised. The extent of their support (not sponsorship as you falsely claimed) was to purchase some Reformed books for their library when the seminary opened. They have only supported one person, a missionary who had graduated from Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil. When they began their relationship with Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil they were of the understanding that it had no connection with Martin Bucer Seminary, Germany other than the name. They knew nothing about Thomas Schirrmacher. Nothing, and had they known, they would have severed any ties with Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil; and, they no longer have any affiliation whatsoever with Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil.
Right there in that official statement from HeartCry is everything Mr. Chavez asked for in his video. A severing of ties with Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil and a renouncement of Thomas Schirrmacher. And his response to getting exactly what heu asked for? He wrote that Mr. Nash (and HeartCry) was “thoroughly disingenuous and false.”
In his last email to me, Mr. Chavez stated, “I've never accused people of things they don't know.” And yet in his accusation against Mr. Washer and HeartCry Missionary Society as shown here, this is exactly what he has done.
I have to ask if Mr. Chavez, in his zeal to falsely condemn Paul Washer, Luke Nash, HeartCry Missionary Society and everyone connected with HeartCry for their alleged “formal” “intimate” and “open partnership” with Martin Bucer Seminary, Brazil – and thus Martin Bucer Seminary, Germany – and thus Bishop Thomas Schirrmacher – and thus the Roman Catholic church; is he equally zealous to condemn each and every teacher, professor, and faculty member at each and every independent satellite campus of Martin Bucer Seminary, Germany? Is he equally zealous to condemn such a highly respected and well-regarded individual as Dr. John Warwick Montgomery who served on the faculty of Martin Bucer Seminary? Is he, in his zeal, going to condemn Martin Bucer himself?
17. He publicly stated those who speak at the Shepherd's Conferences are “Diotrephetic” [3], thus applying the attributes of Diotrephes to them. In doing this he is claiming these speakers: 1) love to be in a position of preeminence over others; 2) refuse to welcome those in authority into the church; 3) maliciously spreads gossip about men of God; 4) withhold hospitality from other believers; 5)require others to follow their poor example; 6) excommunicating anyone who crosses them; and 7) are evil and therefore not Christians. I would note that among those about whom he is stating these things as fact are: Albert Mohler, Ligon Duncan, Steven Lawson, Phil Johnson, Nathan Busenitz, Hohn Cho, Michael Riccardi, Paul Washer, Stephen Nichols, Conrad Mbewe, Alistair Begg, RC Sproul, Carl Trueman, Sinclair Ferguson, Derek Thomas, and Voddie Baucham. All of them are well respected men of God, ministers of the gospel, educators, missionaries; and, need I point out, fellow Christians. Brothers in the Lord.
I have asked Mr. Chavez, from one Christian to another, if he has any definitive evidence to support the accusations he has made against these brothers in Christ. I am not talking about what he has presented thus far as “evidence,” since it is not evidence at all; but rather, nothing more than guilt by association twice removed; and which is actually known as a logical fallacy of the red herring type. No, I am talking about actual definitive evidence that this person has taught false and heretical doctrine; that that person is personally engaged in formal ministry with a heretic; etc. To date he has made these accusations without providing any such definitive evidence. Not only is this slander and defamation, but it is bearing false witness against a fellow Christian. Not only is it bearing false witness, but it is, in many cases, an open rebuke of an older brother in Christ, which is open rebellion on his part to 1 Timothy 5:1-2, which states, “Do not rebuke an older man but encourage him as you would a father, younger men as brothers, older women as mothers, younger women as sisters, in all purity.”
Need I remind that Scripture clearly instructs us to be wise in judging fellow believers, and not to judge hypocritically (Matthew 7:1-5). We are not to judge Christians based on appearances only, but righteously (John 7:24). And, if Mr. Chavez is convinced these men are not Christians, not brothers in the Lord, then he has no business judging them at all (1 Corinthians 5:12-13). Either way, his continual judging of these men is contrary to Scripture, and places him in open rebellion against God.



Sources:
1. Article: Pulpit & Pen Covers Up John MacArthur’s Deception, by Joshua Chavez, April 8, 2018, accessed 10 August 2018, http://beginningofsorrows.org/2018/04/08/pulpit-and-pen-cover-up-john-macarthurs-deception/
2. Article: Pulpit & Pen’s Dilemma: John MacArthur Partnering With A “Devil”, by Joshua Chavez, March 27, 2018, accessed 10 August 2018, http://beginningofsorrows.org/2018/03/27/pulpit-pen-dilemma-macarthur-hosting-marxist-conference/
3. Article: John MacArthur and Pulpit & Pen Exposed, by Joshua Chavez, December 23, 2017, accessed 10 August 2018, http://beginningofsorrows.org/2017/12/23/john-macarthur-exposed-pulpit-pen/
4. Video: Justin Peters Exposed (Phone Call), created by Joshua Chavez, Uploaded to YouTube by Joshua Chavez on July 15, 2018, accessed 10 August 2018, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgFqVs1b9DM
5. Video: Paul Washer Partners With Pope-Loving Ecumenical Leader, created by Joshua Chavez, Uploaded to YouTube by Joshua Chavez on June 22, 1018, accessed 10 August 2018, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJq3H8m8rKQ
6. Video: EVANGELICAL APOSTASY - John Macarthur's Heretical Connections Exposed, created by Joshua Chavez, Uploaded to YouTube by Joshua Chavez on December 11, 2016, accessed 10 August 2018, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXjDYaGleZM