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[Christianity] Is Archaic Superstition

7/27/2014

 
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Recently I was involved in a conversation on Facebook between myself, a self-proclaimed agnostic, and a "hatetheist." Several statements and questions were posed to me during that conversation that I am endeavoring to answer in detail. This was one of the first statements made during that conversation.

One of the many dismissive and unsubstantiated claims made by atheists is that religion, or in the context of this statement, and when it was made during a conversation I was in – Christianity, is nothing more than an “archaic superstition.” Is it? Those who make this claim have yet to provide any evidence to support it. But let's examine this claim and see just how accurate it is.

Let's begin with an accurate definition of the phrase in order to have a baseline by which to examine whether or not Christianity actually is an archaic superstition. First, the term “archaic” simply means extremely old or extremely old-fashioned. Superstitions are defined as beliefs that have no grounds in logic and reason in the physical world. So our first question is, is Christianity archaic? And the answer is yes, in the sense that Christianity is old

In fact, Christianity is extremely old. Over 2,000 years old to be more precise. And in the context of a non-Christian society it is very old fashioned. I say “in the context of a non-Christian society” because this is a common argument used against Christian morals by those who possess a strong desire to revel in their own immorality while not liking their immorality exposed for what it is. But that's what Christianity does. It exposes sin for what it truly is. Degrading, destructive, physically and psychologically and spiritually damaging, and condemning.

So, in these contexts, Christianity is “archaic,” but, is Christianity a superstition? And this is the more important question because if it is a superstition, a belief that has no grounds in logic or reason, then it is easy to ignore it. If, however, it is a belief well grounded in logic and reason, a belief grounded with substantial evidence to support it, then those who chose to ignore it are taking risks that are inherent with ignoring any fact of reality.

In dealing with whether or not Christianity is a superstition, or belief not grounded in logic or reason, I would like to first pose that question to some of the most brilliant, most logical and most well reasoned minds in the history of mankind. Obviously I cannot travel back and forth in time to personally ask these individuals, but their well known and recorded views on Christianity certainly give their answer. The simple fact that they accepted the reality, the logical and reasonable reality of Christianity tells us that in their highly intelligent minds Christianity is not a superstition.

Among the many scholars and intellects who are (or were until their death) Christians are:

Francis Bacon (1561-1626): Considered among the fathers of empiricism and is credited with establishing the inductive method of experimental science via what is called the scientific method today.

Johannes Kepler (1571–1630): Gave us Kepler's laws of planetary motion, which was based on empirical data that he obtained from Tycho Brahe's astronomical observations.

Galileo Galilei (1564–1642): Italian physicist, mathematician, engineer, astronomer, and philosopher who played a major role in the scientific revolution. Galileo has been called the "father of modern observational astronomy", the "father of modern physics", and "the Father of Modern Science".

Blaise Pascal (1623–1662): Well known for Pascal's law (physics), Pascal's theorem (math), and Pascal's Wager (theology).

Isaac Newton (1643–1727): He is regarded as one of the greatest scientists and mathematicians in history. Though some biographers label him as a deist who is strongly influenced by Christianity, he differed from strict adherents of deism in that he invoked God as a special physical cause to keep the planets in orbits.

Gregor Mendel (1822–1884): The "father of modern genetics" for his study of the inheritance of traits in pea plants.

Louis Pasteur (1822–1895): Inventor of the pasteurization method, a French chemist and microbiologist. He also solved the mysteries of rabies, anthrax, chicken cholera, and silkworm diseases, and contributed to the development of the first vaccines.

Guglielmo Marconi (1874-1937): Guglielmo Marconi was known for his pioneering work on long distance radio transmission and for his development of Marconi's law and a radio telegraph system. Marconi is often credited as the inventor of radio, and he shared the 1909 Nobel Prize in Physics.

George Washington Carver (1864-1943): American scientist, botanist, educator, and inventor. He testified on many occasions that his faith in Jesus was the only mechanism by which he could effectively pursue and perform the art of science.

Max Planck (1858–1947): He won the 1918 Nobel Prize in Physics and is considered the founder of Quantum mechanics.

Johannes Stark (1874-1957): German physicist who won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1919 for his "discovery of the Doppler effect in canal rays and the splitting of spectral lines in electric fields."

Wernher von Braun (1912–1977): "one of the most important rocket developers and champions of space exploration during the period between the 1930s and the 1970s."

Werner Arber (born 1929): Werner Arber is a Swiss microbiologist and geneticist. Along with American researchers Hamilton Smith and Daniel Nathans, Werner Arber shared the 1978 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for the discovery of restriction endonucleases.

Robert T. Bakker (born 1945): Paleontologist who was a figure in the "dinosaur Renaissance" and known for the theory some dinosaurs were Warm-blooded.

Frank J. Tipler (born 1947): Frank Tipler is a mathematical physicist and cosmologist, holding a joint appointment in the Departments of Mathematics and Physics at Tulane University.

Jennifer Wiseman: She is Chief of the Laboratory for Exoplanets and Stellar Astrophysics at NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. In addition she is a co-discoverer of 114P/Wiseman-Skiff.

Freeman Dyson (born 1923): He has won the Lorentz Medal, the Max Planck Medal, and the Lewis Thomas Prize. He also ranked 25th in The 2005 Global Intellectuals Poll. He has won the Templeton Prize and delivered one of the Gifford Lectures. He is famous for his work in quantum electrodynamics.

Mike Hulme (born 1960): Mike Hulme is a professor of Climate Change in the School of Environmental Sciences at the University of East Anglia (UEA).

If I am to be accused of believing in an “archaic superstition” I am certainly in good company!

I have to say that the situation which has brought about this subject, being told that Christianity and religion was “archaic superstition,” has an interesting twist to it. The term “archaic superstition” being used in reference to Christianity has been used before, and those familiar with history will likely recognize it. It was a term used often by Karl Marx and other Soviet leaders in their attempts to stamp out Christianity. They felt that “archaic superstitions” such as Christianity were detrimental to the communist ideology. I find this interesting because those who used it in this current situation include at least one individual who, by virtue of his chosen career as a member of the United States Armed Forces, claims to love liberty and freedom and the constitution, and yet here appears willing to follow in the footsteps of Marx and Stalin and Lenin and the Soviet's communist ideology by adhering to and agreeing with the socialist view of Christianity – to the point of using a phrase used often by them. What is the old saying, “Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.”

I Don't Want My Leaders To Follow Religious Traditions

7/27/2014

 
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Recently I was involved in a conversation on Facebook between myself, a self-proclaimed agnostic, and a "hatetheist." Several statements and questions were posed to me during that conversation - here is another question, or statement posed to me regarding the religious beliefs, especially Christianity, among leaders was, “I don't need My leaders to be following Christian or Islam or Jewish traditions. I want them to be just, fair, responsible Men and Women. Sworn to defend the republic, not their wallets or ideals.”

An interesting statement that is not only very exclusionary and discriminative against people of faith, but also contrary to the teachings of our own Founding Fathers. Take our first president, George Washington, for instance. Washington wrote, “While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian.” (The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343). According to the statement above made by the atheist, he would prefer to have not had George Washington as president because Washington believed (as did many of our Founding Fathers) that Judeo-Christian values and morals were important, and our atheist friend here does not want them present in our country's leaders.

Perhaps more importantly, however, is the contrary nature of the statement in question. The atheist states that he want's his leaders to be “just, fair, responsible men and women”, but he does not need them to follow Christian or Islamic or Jewish traditions. Being just, fair and responsible, however, are Christian ideals.

I Believe In A Higher Power, But Not One That Causes Wars

7/27/2014

 
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Recently I was involved in a conversation on Facebook between myself, a self-proclaimed agnostic, and a "hatetheist." Several statements and questions were posed to me during that conversation - here is statement #3:

The complete statement that was posed during our conversation was, “I believe in a higher power, but not one that has so many interpretations and causes wars.”

It's nice to believe in a “higher power,” especially one that is some amorphous amoral deity that has little to no interaction with humans, and therefore doesn't get in the way of said humans desires. The problem with this type of god is that it is man made, and is created and interpreted by each and every individual that chooses this type of god. In other words, this type of god is limited to the imagination of its believers and has no absolute morals, or even essence about it. This is far different from the One True God, the God of the Bible, because God is absolute. His teachings are absolute and not open to individual personal interpretation.

This is not to say that there aren't those who twist God's words to fit their personal agendas, including waging wars in His name (wars started by people, not God), because there have been many like that over the years, and there are still many like that. But to blame God for the actions of those who twist His words to rationalize or justify their actions is wrong. Those who sin in God's name are the ones responsible for their actions. To blame God and hold Him responsible is the same as saying people should not be held accountable for their actions because you want to hold God accountable. And what is most important to note about those who twist God's words to justify their sin, is that they are not true believers. They are not true Christians. God is very specific about who is and who is not a true believer, and those who sin in His name will have to face Him one day and they will be held accountable for their actions.

The Bible Is Just Words ... The Bible Isn't Real

7/27/2014

 
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Recently I was involved in a conversation on Facebook between myself, a self-proclaimed agnostic, and a "hatetheist." Several statements and questions were posed to me during that conversation - here is statement #4: “[The Bible is] just words and even God says not to worship symbolism. God doesn't want killing done in his name. That's why in that book it gives permission to follow the laws of the land. Ergo, the Bible isn't real.”

Partially correct. God does not want us to worship idols or symbols. But no one is worshiping the Bible. At least no Christian does. But we do recognize that the Bible is God's Word to us, and God does tell us to read and know and live by His Word, the Bible. Being obedient to God by doing what He says is an act of worshiping God, not the Bible.

As far as your statement, “That's why in that book it gives permission to follow the laws of the land. Ergo, the Bible isn't real”, this is not only incorrect, but it makes no sense. The Bible does not say we have “permission” to follow the law of the land, it says we must follow the law of the land (Romans 13:1-7). At the same time, however, in Acts 5:27-29, we clearly see that the requirement to follow the law is only applicable to those laws which are not contrary to God's Word.

The recent battle against Hobby Lobby is a good example of this. The government made a law that said Hobby Lobby (and other businesses) had to pay for their employees access to birth control. Okay, no problem, Hobby Lobby complied. But when the government went on to say that Hobby Lobby also had to pay for their employees abortions, the Christian family that owns Hobby Lobby said no because that law is contrary to the Word of God.

Your comment, “Ergo, the Bible isn't real.” is based on an assumed contradiction that in actuality does not exist, so your argument is invalid.

Religion Is Hypocrisy At It's Best

7/27/2014

 
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Recently I was involved in a conversation on Facebook between myself, a self-proclaimed agnostic, and a "hatetheist." Several statements and questions were posed to me during that conversation - here is statement #5:
“One of my biggest problems with religion, organized or any other is that it teaches intolerance in a tolerant age. It is hypocrisy at its best.”


The definition of “hypocrisy” is claiming one thing and then doing or being something else. This does not fit the Bible in any way. With regard to tolerance and intolerance, God, through His Word, teaches us to have an intolerance to sin, to any teaching or requirement that goes against God's Word. It does not teach us to use derogatory euphemisms toward people because of their race or chosen sexual preference. To do so is hateful, and that would be against what God teaches. Therefore, Christians do not engage in these things. This is not to say that there aren't people doing these things who claim to be Christians, but God's Word very clearly states that they are not.

To say that Christians are hypocrites because some false Christians are living lives marked by sin, is the same as saying that all cops are rapists because there have been some rapists who have passed themselves off as police; or to say Special Forces members are nothing more than overweight liars who are puffed up by their fantastical stories, just because there have been some phony Special Forces people who are like that. And if you aren't willing to make those negative statements about all members of Law Enforcement or Special Forces members then the double standards you are imposing in Christians is closer to hypocrisy than holding to God's teaching to love the sinner while remaining intolerant of the sin.

Only A Few Guys With American Names Wrote The Bible, How Can That Be?

7/27/2014

 
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Recently I was involved in a conversation on Facebook between myself, a self-proclaimed agnostic, and a "hatetheist." Several statements and questions were posed to me during that conversation - here is statement #6: “Supposedly only a few guys wrote this book, their names are more American than any of the others that are in the Bible. How can that be? All the names are pretty much un-pronounceable throughout the book except for the main characters.”

Actually there are 33 known Biblical writers, and more that are as yet unknown (those who wrote to some of the Psalms). The reason some of the names sound “American” is because their names were recorded in the modern translations using anglicized versions of their original Hebrew, Greek and Latin names.

The original Hebrew (and Greek and Latin) names of the known Biblical writers are:

Old Testament:
Mosheh, Yehoshua, Shemu'el, Natan, Gad, Yirmiyahu, Azaryahu, Mordechai, Dwd, Shelomoh, Yesha'yahu, Yechezqel, Daniyyel, Hoshea, Yo'el, Amos, Obadyahu, Yonah, Micha, Nachum, Habacuc, Tzfanya, Chaggay, Zekharyah, and Mal'akhiy

New Testament:
Matityahu, Yochanan (known as Marcus, which was his latin name), Loukas (a Greek name), Yochanan, Sha'ul (also known as Paulus, his Latin name), Yaʻaqov, Cephas, and Yehudah. Possibly Joses, or Apollos (Greek) did some of the writing.

More important to this question is that although these people wrote down the words of the Bible, and they used their own intelligence, their own life experiences, etc to do this, everything they wrote down, every word, was given to them by inspiration of God, in fact, the term used in the Bible itself is theopneustos, which means “God breathed.” (2 Timothy 3:16) The Bible is the literal Word of God.

I'm Not Saying I'm An Atheist or Agnostic, Just Critical Of A God That People Have Died In His Name

7/27/2014

 
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Recently I was involved in a conversation on Facebook between myself, a self-proclaimed agnostic, and a "hatetheist." Several statements and questions were posed to me during that conversation - here is statement #7: “I'm not saying I'm an atheist or agnostic just critical of a God that in his name millions of people have died over who was right and who was wrong.”

To say it is God's fault that millions of people have died in His name at the hands of people who were using His name to justify their sin, is the same as having someone steal your credit card, use it to run up charges in my store in your name and then not pay those charges and I become critical of you because it was in your name that they were charging. It's the same thing because you are holding God responsible for the actions of others rather than holding them accountable for their actions.

Where Was This Bible When The Indians Were Being Routed Out Of Their World?

7/27/2014

 
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Recently I was involved in a conversation on Facebook between myself, a self-proclaimed agnostic, and a "hatetheist." Several statements and questions were posed to me during that conversation - here is statement #8: “Where was this Bible when the Indians were being routed out of there world? The first people who came over to the new world, which was not Columbus by the way it was Nord's, brought "religion" in the form of plague and slavery destroyed a peaceful nation.”

I am sure that you mean “Norse” and are referring to Leif Erickson, a Norse explorer who is believed to have established a Norse colony in what is now Newfoundland, approximately 500 years before Columbus (who, by the way, never landed anywhere in North America). Erickson was not, however, the first to visit the New World. That honor goes to Brendan of Clonfert, an Irish monk who visited North America some 500 years before Erickson – who by the way knew of this (as it was mentioned in many Scandinavian stories) and referred to the lands south of his Norse colony as “Irland it Mikla” or “Greater Ireland.”

Since Brendan was a monk, you are correct in assuming he brought his religion with him, but he did not enslave anyone, nor did he bring any plagues with him. Slavery involving North American Indians actually began among the Indians themselves. Slavery was a common practice among the North American tribes, as they often enslaved members of rival tribes, and when Whites began to settle in North America, the Indians took White slaves as well. This is not say that Whites did not take Indians as slaves because some did. But the idea of slavery, the practice of slavery was not introduced to the Indians by Whites.

And as far as a peaceful nation, nothing could be further from the truth. The notion that Indians were a peace loving, everybody-gets-along-with-everybody group of people is utter nonsense. What do you suppose happened to the original inhabitants of North America? No, I do not mean those Indian tribes who were here when the Whites arrived. I mean those who were here when those Indian tribes arrived. Because, you see, the Indian tribes who were here when the Whites arrived in North America were not indigenous to this land, and when they arrived, coming up from South and Central America and Asia, they encountered the original inhabitants of North America, and in many cases they simply exterminated them. In fact, archaeological discoveries and Mitochondrial DNA research indicate that the original inhabitants of North America were Caucasian, arriving here roughly 8,000 to 10,000 years before the ancestors of the modern North American Indians made their way across the Bering Strait land bridge or up from South America.

Professor Dennis Stanford of the Smithsonian and Professor Bruce Bradley of Exeter University, both prominent and well respected archaeologists, have presented evidence that indicates ancient Europeans known as the Solutreans crossed over to and settled on the eastern coast of America from the Iberian Peninsula of Europe (where modern day Spain, Portugal and France now are) during the Ice Age.

In addition, the idea of “white” Indians is not something new, as they have existed for some time. The most well known of the Caucasian Indians are the Chepu Tule Indians, the Guanche Indians, and the legendary Madoc Indians. Pre-Inca skulls have been found in Peru with blonde, red and brown hair. Inca and Mayan Indians both have stories of blonde haired and bearded tribes that existed before they did, and who were killed off by the Inca and Mayans. Also, let's not forget Kennewick Man, a skeleton discovered in Washington State that has been dated to about 9,000 years ago, and whose DNA has been tested and found to be 100% European. And Kennewick Man is not unique in that ancient remains have been found in the United States from Ireland, Iberia and Africa. Not as old as Kennewick Man, but ancient nonetheless.

I Don't Believe In A Religion Anymore That Had Murdered Millions Over A Book

7/27/2014

 
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Recently I was involved in a conversation on Facebook between myself, a self-proclaimed agnostic, and a "hatetheist." Several statements and questions were posed to me during that conversation - here is statement #9: I don't believe anymore in a religion that had murdered millions over a book.

Let's be specific. Since the context of this question as it relates to our original conversation indicates you mean Christianity when you say “religion” and the Bible when you say “a book,” I can say without hesitation that the only people murdered because of the Bible, are Christians who were murdered because they were Christians. And the actual number is probably more like billions, not millions, of Christians murdered for their faith since the birth of Christianity. In fact, Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world. Hundreds of thousands of Christians are being denied the most basic of human rights, they are tortured, beaten, imprisoned and even killed each year simply because they are Christians and will not renounce their faith.

When it comes to those who have been killed “over a book” as you say, I can honestly respond that Christianity has not murdered a single individual because of the Bible. Again, this is not to say that murders have not been committed in God's name by people who claim to be Christians, but according to God's Word (1 John), they were not true Christians, but “pseudo-Christians,” those who claim to be Christians, but aren't. They will do the right things and say the right things up to a point, but then their true nature comes through. To blame Christianity for the actions of pseudo-Christians, is the same as blaming all of Law Enforcement for criminal acts committed by phony cops.

Quit Trying To Brute Force Prove You're Right!

7/27/2014

 
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Recently I was involved in a conversation on Facebook between myself, a self-proclaimed agnostic, and a "hatetheist." Several statements and questions were posed to me during that conversation - here is statement #10: “[Believing the Bible is real] is faith. I can admire that. Its also a work of utter [expletive] to someone that doesn’t believe in religion. The book can be verified to have been written by man. I have never seen "Gods" signature on it anywhere or the bibliography. Its an opinion, yours vs mine. … Quit trying to brute force prove you’re [expletive] right and more people might give a [expletive] about 'Christianity'”

There are two issues here. The first is your misuse of the word faith in this context. Faith is defined variously as “A firm belief in something for which there is no proof” (Merriam Webster Dictionary), “A belief that is not based on proof” (Dictionary.com), and “A strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.” (Google Dictionary) So the term faith is really not applicable when it comes to accepting the veracity of the Bible because a Christians acceptance of the Bible's veracity is based on the existence of solid factual evidence (see question #11 below) and not faith.

Facts are facts and do not require faith or belief to exist, nor are they opinions or theories. Stating that since you have never seen Gods signature on it, it must then be only an opinion is an invalid argument as it implies that you are the standard by which all facts are measured.

The second issue is your last sentence. I said, “Calling the Bible a work of fiction is an easy statement to make. Not so easy to prove, however, when there is ample evidence to support its veracity.” You think this is, “trying to brute force prove you're [expletive] right.” You go on to imply that because I am “brute force” proving that I am right is keeping people away from Christianity.

This is the same old “stop shoving your religion down my throat” argument. The fact is, however, no one is “brute force” proving anything here, unless it is you (as seen through your insistence to use swear words to emphasize your points). The only thing I did was state a simple fact. I am not forcing you to believe it, nor accept it. In fact, I wasn't even talking to you at the time. You simply jumped in and started throwing accusations around.

Now I have been thinking about why you reacted the way you did to a statement made to someone else, and the only reasonable explanation that I can come up with is that my statement either startled you or scared you or both, thus causing such an extreme reaction from you. This of course leads me to question why you would be scared of my statement, and the answer is obvious and supported by your increasing extremism. You are afraid of the veracity of the Bible because if the Bible is true, then what you believe about God is false. You would be wrong and that scares you, and I think it scares you because deep down you know you are wrong and God is right.
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